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tgatto

Lake in the Hills, IL

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09/18/2012 8:16 AM
You know, thinking outsided the box a little: Maybe you should consider taking the boyfriend out to see some well-trained dogs, and talk to some handlers. I am thinking your local NAVHD chapter, which should have training, and/or testing going on now. Point being to see how well trained/well conditioned dogs behave in the field - the trust the handlers have in the dog. Then also to talk with the trainers/handlers (NAVHDA will have handlers that train their own dogs) about what it takes to train a well-behaved GSP. Another option would be to look into some dog training courses. There may even be local courses that have a focus on the clicker training - such as park district or others (Pet Smart/Petco). Just a thought.

It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd

Tizziec

MH
Posts:66

09/18/2012 8:34 AM
I tried that with the Springer. Found a real good trainer who was working with a springer at the field around the corner from him. He pretended to listen intently, did what she said in front of her, then as soon as we got home with the dogs, he did the opposite. it goes like this... I spend the day training the dog to stay off the counter, he comes in from work and invites the dog up to the counter to share a snack, then at night, he yells at the dog for jumping up to check out the dinner plates??? Not kidding, true story. It comes down to the fact that I fell madly in love with Jake, first time I had this kind of a reaction to a dog since I was a child, I want more than anything to keep him, but I love him so much that I want him to be happy as can be. I don't see that happening in a home where the owner just won't seem to get on board with making it a home without constant dog fights, and actually likes to think he had a dog that completely trained itself (no, his father took the dog and trained him). I am heartbroken and depressed as hell. Jake has been a fantastic learner, but I found out this weekend that the reason he seemed to be regressing a little, had nothing to do with his added energy and adjustment to his new home, but everything to do with me being the only one sticking to training and four other people UNtraining him.. poor fella, he wants so badly to know how to please and do it. I am now talking to a friend who has one GSP and has recently been considering a second, but since hers is a male, she is not sure. We are planning to introduce the dogs maybe later this week and see how they react to each other (from talking they have similar personalities ) I am hoping it works out since she lives fairly close and I would be able to visit my baby.

Splat

Illinois (Northern)

MH
Posts:3134

09/18/2012 9:12 AM
I don't think it will matter that your friends GSP is a male too... it really just depends on the dog and how well it has been socialized/trained... females can be with females and males with males, intact or not intact... just depends...

Tizziec

MH
Posts:66

09/18/2012 9:18 AM
My fingers are crossed, but I am a little worried about Jake's habit of mounting.. I have not had the time to correct the behvior, and only limited opportunity. depending on how confident her dog is, it could definitely be a problem, but if the other dog doesn't mind, and my friend is OK with having to work on a less than desirable behavior (it's the only not so good one he seems to really have that might be a problem) then it should be OK. I am hoping but I understand fully if it doesn't go smoothly. I would never let him goif it looks like it will be a real problem. If I had the money I would build an addition to my house just for him

Smylinacha User is Offline

Connecticut

MH
Posts:1208

09/23/2012 2:44 PM
I am very sorry that you are thinking of giving up Jake. It's hard when everyone is not on board. I know you have tried very hard with the training. Not sure if it will make you feel better but our two can never be loose in an area that is not enclosed. And I won't take them to the dog park - went a few times with our male and it was hard getting him to come back to go home. These dogs definitely need to run. Could you fence in part of your yard? Our back yard pretty much has a race track around it from them and it's pretty much wrecked but it's fenced in and they run like heck. We also take them for walks (well hubby does after they dragged me and I won't walk them alone again so I tag along). As for the training collars, my husband very rarely has to correct. They do better with him than with me - maybe because he's more calm and assertive than I am. I think dogs can really pin point the energy coming from a human and ever since they both dragged me going after a deer, they can sense the nervousness in me with it happening again. The correction collar does the job though and there are some good posts on here about them. We don't use treats because we don't want them to constantly expect one. Both our dogs are rescues and different. Windsor, the intact male, knows many commands and will do them easily but he's hard to walk. Velvet, our female that we got fixed, came to us skin and bones and all she knows is come and sit but she walks pretty well. Although prey driven, she listens to my husband on walks. She's very mellow in the house and Windsor has tantrums nightly but knows more commands. We had an appointment to fix Windsor but I canceled that morning. I hear different stories - either fixing them could calm them down or not so I figured why bother - he is pretty good and the only annoying thing he does is try to mark everything on walks which we won't let him do and after a while into the walk he gets it. I think he just needs to burn off some energy and definitely needs a place to run. I also think trying to train in a dog park with other dogs around is a distraction and that might be why it's taking a while for Jake. Every dog learns differently and some do better and some do worse. As for the dog fighting, not sure what to do with that. Our two get into it but it's rare and Velvet will kick Windsor's butt. Sometimes so long as nobody looses an eye, fights are good and then they both know their place. No way would I even try to break up a fight - I may yell to stop and clap my hands and that usually does the trick.

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