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03/23/2012 12:10 PM  

It's amazing how different these dogs are from each other.  Keely's becoming quite the barker, but i think it's mainly part and parcel of her going through a particularly challenging stage.  She barks at her toys when they fall on the floor - i dont pick them up for her, i tend to walk out of the room and shut the door behind me and wait until she stops barking or whining before i re-enter, or i just take the toy away from her.  She barks whilst waiting for her food (which can be some time esp just now cos she's on boiled chicken and rice) - i remove her from the kitchen and try to distract her.  She basically tries barking to get her own way, i'm sure it's just a test and we absolutely DONT fall for it, but i'm still concerned that this is something she sill carry on doing, especially as barking's really a self-rewarding thing for them.  I know they can be a barky breed (esp in the wrong hands) and i know there's times when barking is actually welcome - we are in the countryside but near a village which i'm sorry to say has a bad element (although they are in the minority) and we are part of a popular circuit walk for the village.  Basically i'm not against barking or looking to eradicate it.  I know you can praise the bark and introduce the "quiet" or "enough", but i dont think it's appropriate to use these situations where she is trying to get us to do something to teach "speak" and "quiet".  This is an area of training that i have no experience in as Kintra only barked at passers-by that she couldnt see through the hedge and i ended up deciding just to allow that because of where we live. Any thoughts? 


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03/25/2012 9:55 AM  

Hi There,

Hanna is ramping up the barking some. She has been barking more during our traning sessions. Im observing like you are when she barks trying to get some understanding .

Hanna has started to bark in between commands .

LOL!  can't say I blame her!   If I ask her to sit, then down, then sit , She'll do a "down" and bark at me . Today I could see she thought I was playing with her. She is big on barking at other dogs to get them to play as well as "Ive got the toy chase ME!

Shes got some alpha in her as she now sits very well in my lap when I drive She has even put her paw on the wheel at times. And she pulls on the leash . She doesn't want to miss a thing and wants to be in the driver seat !  After She can be out of her kennel in the front seat she won't want to be in My lap so she can see.

I don't allow this all the time.

My trainer said her barking at you is the equivilant of her yelling at you . This just adds to by short frustration fuse. Im looking at that now asking myself what fear is driving this in me.

When she barks at me,

I say NO ! Or stop our training sessions which means no turkey or chicken breast.

Or get gruff with her and this lets her know I'm not playing with her. I have not seen her bark at other people yet just me and other dogs or groundhogs who hide.

Sheena my last GSP NEVER barked at me once her entire life and never even nibbled at me. I tried to teach her to speak and she would only whine. She did eventually guard by barking which was good.

Hanna picked up speak quickly and she uses it! She's too young to guard bark. 

 

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03/25/2012 6:55 PM  
I dont have any ideas for what to do...as striker is my barker but he doesnt bark at me or bark when i give commands....he will bark when you let him outside and he can run....it is like he is running and yelling "look at me i am running so fast" he will bark at other dogs to get them to play with him...some are scared by it and others understand and start playing...plus striker barks at stranger danger things...

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03/26/2012 4:31 AM  
Barking is annoying - isn't it?
I have not had a dog bark during training.
Bregon will bark at other dogs to get them to chase him.
I put a stop to it.
I would put a stop to barking at you and during training.
This can be accomplished with (more) praise,a distraction BEFORE the barking begins - like walking off,then giving the rest of the commands or a correction -
probably a combo of these would work best.
This is puppy stuff and being used to control the situation.
To be considered - maybe the session is too long,maybe too many consecutive commands,maybe the attention span/focus of the pup is not quite there yet for the lesson being given
While we need to take into account a dog's personality - we also need to take into account our training methods



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03/26/2012 8:32 AM  
For puppies and barking during training I would put a stop to it. How to do that, make the training more interesting and shorter. Move faster with the training. Your pup is bored and telling you to hurry up and let's do fun stuff. I have not ever had this problem with a youngster, but my older girl started it when training jumps and retrieves for Open Obedience. For her and since she is supposed to be mature and more controlled I used the opposite method. When she started barking, I stopped the training. It didn't take her long to get it. The challenge is you walk a fine line between fun and enthusiasm and drudgery and boredom. This is especially true with obedience competition and shorthairs. Still I think that since this is a young dog, making your training more lively and shorter will work. If that does not work, they try stopping the session as soon as your pup barks.

For barkers in general, I would recommend a bark collar. For my moms shorthair puppy she was getting into the habit of barking at everything. I put a bark collar on her during the day for about a month, and she got out of the habit and now only barks once in a while. My youngster on the other hand just loves to hear her own voice, so she wears the bark collar more regularly. I use the Tritronics bark caller.

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03/26/2012 11:38 AM  
How do the bark collars work, is it a vibration when they bark? Keely's bark seems to mean "Muuuuummmm, is dinner ready? Is dinner ready? Muuuuum! Muuuum! Dinner! Muuuum!" "Muuum, get my toy! Muuum, the toy!! Muuuuuuuuuuummm, it's on the floor!". This is why i dont want to encourage it any further. Apart from that she doesnt really bark except the odd time when people are passing.

Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx
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03/26/2012 12:09 PM  
Give her something to do when she barks like that. For dinner make her lie down. Much harder for them to bark when lying down. If she barks, turn your back to her. Do not feed her until she is quiet and laying down. For toys ask her to do something like a sit or down. I like to do puppy push ups with them for toys. Sit, down, sit, down reward. Mix it up. Remember you dictate the games, not her. Better she learn that now too. My youngest two both started the barking for dinner thing when I made them sit. That is when I changed it to a down. Now they race to their spot on the carpet when I make the move to make dinner in the hopes I will move faster. They know if I have to correct them it slows the whole thing down.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

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03/27/2012 5:37 AM  
Thanks, the puppy push-ups are a great idea! I'll give it a go. I might make my other half do push-ups for his dinner too ;0)

Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx
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03/27/2012 9:03 AM  

Great advice above.

Casey an I had a a real issue with his barking during training/play time, and taking the advice on this forum, this is what worked for me - I turn it into a game of 'no bark'

I hold a ball up, or something that he gets fired up about and would normally bark at - anticipating that he will bark. I pretend to throw the ball - multiple times - testing him to see if he will bark.

Once he barks - game over - the ball gets put away, I end the game and walk away with no words, and wait until he is calm before the I return to the 'no bark' game. In this exercise I am not testing whether he will catch the ball, but whether or not he will bark.

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03/27/2012 10:05 AM  
Oh I forgot to add, I had made the mistake of previously teaching Casey the command "bark." I now don't ever mention the word bark, and make sure no other members of the household or friends use this command. (It seemed like he was offering bark, the same way he would offer sit, or his paw.)
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03/27/2012 10:59 AM  
Thanks Rose. I've heard mixed opinions on teaching speak/quiet on command, i'm not really convinced it's a good idea for a dog who's inclined to bark to get attention. I think you've just confirmed my fears about that.

Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx
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03/27/2012 11:16 AM  

Yes, I didn't know any better as a first time dog owner - I originally wanted to teach the "Quiet" command, and this is how it went down in the beginning:

I say "Bark," Casey barks, I say "good," I give treat
I say "Quiet," Casey is quiet, I say "good," I give treat

It did not take him long to learn this at all, maybe three tries, at most.

And then Casey turned it around on me. He started following me around and offering this - continuously:

Casey barks, Casey barks, Casey barks, Casey barks, Casey barks, Casey barks, Casey barks, Casey barks, Casey barks, Casey barks, Casey barks, Casey barks, Casey barks, Casey barks, Casey barks, Casey barks, Casey barks, Casey barks

...Until I would say "Quiet", where he would then be quiet immediately and wait for his treat.

Funny dog.

(He loves attention too.)

Hence why I no longer use the word command "Bark."

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03/28/2012 3:44 AM  

 It really is a minefield trying to train them - it's like they're almost too smart to be trained as mere dogs cos they can work out a way to do what THEY want and still do what YOU want as well, and we end up having to praise and treat them regardless


Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx
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03/28/2012 6:05 PM  
Well never allowed Bells to bark in the house or even get too vocal playing. She learned to get vocal playing with other dogs at the dog park and I never had an issue with that... she needs to be a dog...but at home she started getting more vocal during play with us and we would instantly calm the play some. As a result.. she is not a vocal girl (and I actually feel somewhat bad because she doesn't seem to understand other dogs barking..) The only time she barks is when she hears something she is unsure about and it is very rare, and a low throat bark. I did hear her once give a higher pitched bark while she was out to potty and saw the neighbor's dog out across the street.

During training sessions... if she gets confused or isn't fully focused and is doing the wrong command and gets frustrated because she isn't getting a reward or the outcome she wants she will give a little "back talk"... so I command focus to end that issue.

I have even tried teaching her to "sing" with me... but she just isn't a vocal gal and I think it is because we never allowed much of it from the get go
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03/28/2012 6:07 PM  
PS - I promise I know proper English... my iphone autocorrect.... not so much lol
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03/28/2012 6:08 PM  
I also meant to ask if she is often around other vocal dogs? A dog I had when I was younger was never vocal until we had to board her during a trip. She came back barking up a storm. Some other pup clearly had taught her that is what she was "supposed" to do.
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03/29/2012 2:53 AM  
Not really. The neighbours 2 doors down have 2 labs, one of which will (rarely) give a one-bark if a strangers appears in the field next to them but Keely doesnt seem to pay any attention and certainly never joins in. I'm afraid to say i think she's just a more vocal dog by nature as we've done nothing different from how we approached the barky think with Kintra, and she only barked under certain circumstances and not until she was much older.

Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx
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03/29/2012 6:05 AM  
Definitely could be just nature. My nephew dog barks at everything while in his home, but not at all out of his turf. Some just like to hear themselves. Now, Bells is a bit of a drama queen whiner which I am not a fan of... It is much quieter than barking, but irritating when it is just to pout or get attention... So I feel some of your pain lol
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03/30/2012 11:02 AM  
Ooooooohh, the whining - i really dont envy you, that's even more difficult to put a stop to. I just try to cut Keely off when she does that by a quick distracting loud noise and walking away, but she's not really too bad for whining. My brother's working springer whines constantly in the car for his 1 hour commute every day.

Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx
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04/06/2012 6:41 PM  
Our don't bark unless someone comes over or there is wild life in the yard. Hard to get them to shut up when the wildlife is out there but once someone comes over they will settle down once we let them in so they could say hi to the person. Guess you can say they are our alarm system. Windsor will also do little barks when he needs to go out to potty. No word we use will work, they will continue to bark at wild life until the wild life goes away.
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