thanks for the advise. I have subsequently met a seasoned trainer over the past few days and in exchange for some consulting work (i am a forester) he is going to help me with my dog. I met him through a good friend and he came highly recommended. I am hoping that my time spent with him will not only help train the dog, but train me as well.

In regards to getting on birds, i am trying... Its a hard time of year. Here is a question, in your opinion do they have to be bobwhites? I have found pharoah and mexican quail just not bobs. what do you think? is  it worth the purchase?

Max, i live in Virginia... why do you ask?

Thanks Max, that is really good information. I will check that site out. As for woodcock in the area, we have a few but finding them is tricky. I am on it though! thanks again.