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10/29/2010 5:00 PM  

We got Remi 3 weeks ago Sunday. He will be 4 months on November 3rd. Remi is our first GSP and I have a few questions about training him.

 

From my understanding, it is best to have a firm but gentle (if that makes sense) approach to training these dogs. They need a leader, but someone they can trust. We have grown up with labs, and have 2 labs currently. I am obviously finding some huge differences in the training aspects of these dogs. My labs have always been very aware and concerned to be near me or close to me. Remi seems to wander off easily and be more independent. Obviously I know he is not a lab, and I don't expect him to be one. I am just looking for some advice on how I should start to train his recall and listening skills in general.

 

When we picked him up from our breeder, he was allowed off lead in the presense of his mother and he would come back immediately when called. this was something that impressed me greatly. His mother is not here now and he seems to wander off quickly and getting him back, is, well, an effort.

 

I think I need to go back to square one with him and get a long check cord and start teaching him recall. I have never had to result to this before, the labs were both easily taught with praise and if necessary a food reward.

 

Remi has gotten away from me twice now, and thats twice too many in my book. Both times, heading straight for the road and I'm very lucky i was able to catch him with out something bad happening. I want to get this fixed before we trust him off leash. Training classes are also an option. TIA.


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10/29/2010 6:54 PM  
GSPs are smart and love to please, but they have to be taught. A couple of observations on training a GSP 1) because they are smart they catch on fast and can be easily bored if you do not make the training fun for them, 2) they will test you so you have to be prepared. I demand a reliable recall on my dogs and that means that when they are called, no matter what, they stop and return to me immediately and quickly. I do that by first teaching the recall on leash without distractions and advancing to check cords and distractions. Once I get to where they understand the command and are 100% on check cord with distractions then I work off leash going back to a controlled environment with no distractions and again work up with the distractions. I will literally do 1000s of recalls before I ever get to an uncontrolled area with distractions and off leash. Then I add the ecollar into the mix (having conditioned my dog in advance as I do not want them to get collar wise). A truly reliable recall is a long process and the amount of time it takes depends on the dog. I have had shorthairs that got it by 6 months and never had to use the ecollar to shorthairs that would take off for hils as soon as I let them off leash even have 2 years of extensive recall training. I would suggest you enroll in an obedience class and start there as you will get a good foundation on obedience which will also help you and your dog. You probably should also work on focus. Remember though you have a baby and even though he may have been great about coming off leash at three months, he still has to go through his adolescence and they often regress and test you during that phase. Also, if you have not taught them what here or come means you will be in trouble too. Coming to the momma is normal and not surprising just as the issues you are having now are not surprising. Good luck and let us know how you progress.

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10/30/2010 7:06 AM  
I have used the method described by Bev with my dogs....my oldest has had an ecollar on him when we didn't have a fence, but my other's haven't gotten that far yet...actually Striker hasn't even been on the check cord yet, however I am not sure I will need it, he has come every time we have called him. My husband took him to my parents farm yesterday and only the back pastures are fenced not out front by the barn and he said both Blitz and Striker came back right away every time he called. Basically the key is doing the steps and taking your time and not rushing it.
Our dog that passed away sounds more like yours...he didn't have to be right by us and was adventurous...we put a bell on his collar so in the hosue we could keep track of him and tell if he was getting into something and to help with potty training cuz he never stayed by us...the check cord recall worked good with him too...

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10/30/2010 9:15 AM  
Thank you both.

I understand that there has to be a foundation of training before he can be trusted, I don't expect him to know what recall is just yet. He has to be taught, as you said.

So, this afternoon after work I'm going to pick up some longer rope or a check cord whatever I can find and work with him on his own in the basement. No distracions. We'll start from there and see how he does.

So would you suggest going to him if he doesn't respond to a recall? Or pulling him in? Not quite sure what to do in that situation. And should I treat him every time he comes to a recall? Or just praise?

Thanks everyone.

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10/30/2010 9:22 AM  
I believe it was suggested to me to reel them in/pulling them in cuz you want them to realize the only option is for them to come to you not that you can go to them...another thing suggested to me is that cuz the recall is so important that it gets the 3 treat reward and other commands get only one...however I didn't always to it that way...I did phase out treats with just praise...my 1 yr old dog did 4-H canine good citizen test with my 10 year old son and no treats are allowed so Blitz had to learn to do everything without a treat...

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10/30/2010 9:40 AM  
Posted By Splat on 10/30/2010 9:22 AM
I believe it was suggested to me to reel them in/pulling them in cuz you want them to realize the only option is for them to come to you not that you can go to them...another thing suggested to me is that cuz the recall is so important that it gets the 3 treat reward and other commands get only one...however I didn't always to it that way...I did phase out treats with just praise...my 1 yr old dog did 4-H canine good citizen test with my 10 year old son and no treats are allowed so Blitz had to learn to do everything without a treat...



 

That makes sense. Thanks! 

 

Any training we do with the labs we have always phased out treats with praise. I don't want them to rely on that getting that treat for everything.


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10/30/2010 9:42 AM  

For teaching the recall with the dog on a check cord you call the dog ONCE. If he does not respond you give the cord a good pop and as soon as he starts toward you get excited and praise him. You can even turn and run the opposite direction or throw a toy between you legs. The key is to get him to come to you willingly. If you drag him you may set yourself up for a tug of war and worse the dog will not want to come to you. If you have this problem, then your dog is probably not ready for the check cord and I would go back even further in training to a 6 foot leash. Put you dog in a sit stay and walk to the end of the leash. Call your dog (only once), if he starts toward you run backwards and take up the slack in the leash until he gets to you and praise him. If he doesn't start toward you give a pop and praise and run backward.

Practice until he is coming to you with no pop or movement, then go to a check cord where you are further away. Also, remember to sometimes go to the end of the leash wait and then return to your dog without calling. This will keep your dog paying attention and not anticipating your call. Good luck and keep us posted on your progress.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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10/30/2010 9:52 AM  
Posted By Texas Belle on 10/30/2010 9:42 AM

For teaching the recall with the dog on a check cord you call the dog ONCE. If he does not respond you give the cord a good pop and as soon as he starts toward you get excited and praise him. You can even turn and run the opposite direction or throw a toy between you legs. The key is to get him to come to you willingly. If you drag him you may set yourself up for a tug of war and worse the dog will not want to come to you. If you have this problem, then your dog is probably not ready for the check cord and I would go back even further in training to a 6 foot leash. Put you dog in a sit stay and walk to the end of the leash. Call your dog (only once), if he starts toward you run backwards and take up the slack in the leash until he gets to you and praise him. If he doesn't start toward you give a pop and praise and run backward.

Practice until he is coming to you with no pop or movement, then go to a check cord where you are further away. Also, remember to sometimes go to the end of the leash wait and then return to your dog without calling. This will keep your dog paying attention and not anticipating your call. Good luck and keep us posted on your progress.

Thank you! I will stick with the leash for now, until he understands what we're doing and work our way further and further out.

 

I appreciate all the input and help! 

 


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10/30/2010 3:53 PM  
I want to add I never draged mine when I reeled them in...I guess I never thought about it that way cuz as soon as mine felt the tug of the reeling in they would come to me...

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10/30/2010 4:06 PM  
Update:

We worked on some training this evening, only about 15 minutes because I didn't want to bore him. He did OK with the recall training. I kept him on leash, and took a step back, thats about all the further I could get away with out him following me. I am teaching him using a command and a hand signal. So I put him in a sit, which he knows fine, then "wait" which I just put my hand up like a stop sign, step backwards and give him the cue along with a hand motion towards me. He seemed to be catching on, hopefully tomorrow we can get further away.

I was able to teach him down with a hand motion and up from the down position with a hand motion too. Very proud of him for catching on so quickly!

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