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12/03/2009 12:15 PM  

 


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12/03/2009 12:26 PM  
I just typed a huge post which disappeared. Try #2

After reading all of this info (and Bev I still have to take notes on your post way above), I will try and get him out more. I go to my trainers 1x/week, to dog club 1x/week and train at home. So I will add in another location every week. I will also make sure I am consistent with how I train at home in terms of my attitude, etc. I keep buying new and exciting toys for training. This is the only place he gets soft toys.

As for agility/flyball- would love to. We did agility for about 5 months last yr. However, Max injured himself (fall on ice, bruised femur, OCD lesions, surgery, lots of rehab) and that set us back until this June/July. So, he cannot jump yet (only small jumps). When he is completely rehabbed, we will get back into this. he loved it. It was a great time.

Bird work- like I said hard time in the cold Northeast! My NAVHDA buddies are hunting and the closest GSP club is 3-4 hrs away. However, I will try to find someone else maybe. I need someone with knowledge as I am a novice bird girl.

So after only 5 times in the field, I made myself enter Max in my NAVHDA chapter's NA test in Sept. What an experience. He got an 89/112 but no prize. He would not point. Found every bird but...no pointing! Got 4's in most everything else. The judges loved him, complimented him, etc- said he just needs focus. But I was so proud. One of the chapter members who is a NAVHDA judge ran up to me, hugged me and said- I cannot wait to go to the Invitational with you. A very positive and motivating group of great people.

Anyway, I am so thankful for your suggestions. There is a lot of knowledge on this forum! I will keep you posted and will work on the tips you all gave me. Jen

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12/03/2009 12:27 PM  

 


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12/03/2009 1:52 PM  

Jen -

Now a take a deep breath.  You are doing a great job with your pup.  Like all of us you are learning and GSPs will push the envelop on that learning curve.  Don't worry about the bird stuff now if the weather is bad.  Same with agility.  There is plenty of work you can do over the winter months with obedience that will pay off in both the field and agility when the weather gets better and people are back from hunting. 

I absolutely love your desire and dedication to your dog and doing all kinds of things with your dog.  Keep up the good work.  Just remember it needs to be fun for the both of you, and you have plenty of time to do it all. Keep us posted on your progress.


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12/03/2009 2:00 PM  
Thanks Bev- I will! Max is nuts and I love him for that. At home he seems to be airborne most of the time. If I leave the room for 5 seconds, he steals something I just touched. Last night he took the phone off the wall, dropped it in his water bowl and then put it in the living room. Couldn't figure out why the phone until I realized, I had just used it. He is incredibly bonded to me yet is almost like having a little brother again! He sleeps under the covers, between me and my older Hound cross with his head on me. He is a cling!
He is my first GSP (worked mostly with herding dogs before). I cannot imagine having a different breed now. Intelligence, drive, beauty, and amazing athleticism.
Will keep you posted!

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12/03/2009 2:17 PM  
Jen, we have more parallels - I entered Tessa in the NA after only one training day with birds in the field with NAVDHA who ran her through the motions and said while she defintely needs to be on birds she seemed ready to give the NA a try (and like with you we were running out of time age-wise). She prized (II) but her scores were on the lower end - 87, so even lower than yours :)

And like you, I find the NAVDHA people oh so motivating.

As Bev said, winter may be a good time to take a step back, and reflect on where you stand and reasses things.

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12/04/2009 8:06 AM  
I have been thinking about this thread and have made some possible conclusions. Not sure tho b/c it is real tricky w/o knowing and seeing.
Sounds like he is displaying avoidance at the classes. Why he would be doing this is possibly b/c of your last post. In the post you mentioned behaviors that show more dominance then him wanting to show affection. In a class atomshere he may feel dominated by you,the teacher,other dogs,anything really and rather then dominate he avoids. I know it is rather vague but it is difficult to put into words. What you are seeing in class is one aspect of his make-up.
I would suggest you bring a wing or possibly fur to class.Use this to motivate him.
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12/04/2009 8:14 AM  
Francine I think you have hit the nail on the head. Great observation. I am not sure why I did not think of that! I am guilty of letting him rule the roost sometimes and so is my older female dog. I live alone so behaviors that would affect other, I tend to let pass.

This is something I really need to work on. Thank you for pointing this out.

PS- I can only imagine some of my classmates if I bring in animal parts. Too funny! One lady almost fainted when I found a dead bird and threw it in the trash bare handed.

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12/06/2009 8:02 AM  

I guess I would only ask the question, what level skills are you training in obedience? The two I did competative obedience with (one cdx (trained to ut, but started getting too busy on the bird end) and one cd), both got very bored with the novice work, once I added in open excercises things got better. The younger one (who is 10 now!) always loved anywork, the older would get very bored, but once the 'funner' stuff was introduced he loved it also. All three times we were in the ring for our cdx the judge didn't get the drop command off until he was almost at my feet because they were so shocked he took off as fast as he did (I am sure you are familiar with the head down dragging pace a lot of ob dogs move at). Also most would be laughing when we left the ring (now we got a placement everytime so I new it wasn't horrible) I finally asked the last one what he was laughing at. He said it was a joy to see such a happy dog in the ring. As to the age question, my first dog earned his cd at 13 months, took four shows, he was very bored in the third and layed on the long sit. I remember my instructors face on the night of our first class when she said he should be ready to show at two, and I informed her I had him entered in a four day show the next month! But it is a dog thing, just like people some can take early training and some will benefit from waiting.
The is Jake, he is 13 now, hard to believe.
Pixie has a point also, a lot of problems I work with in other's field dogs come from dogs that are babied a lot at home, then the owner feels they have the right to correct the dog in training, the dog turns off, as the dont see where this person they rule over at home (and most owners don't feel they do, but dog sleeps on bed, pushed owner to one corner, bolts out door, sits on their lap). If you start to gradually put him in his place at home, you might see a dog more willing to work with you and for you at the training facility.

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12/06/2009 8:52 AM  

Yes, I definitely need to change the pecking order at home. That will help.

I work with a trainer who trains all levels at the same time. For example my lessons may consist of heeling, recalls, fetch work, directed jumping, go outs, stands,etc. Everything is broken down. For example the recall: the stay/the come/the front/ the finish are all separate components. Everything is proofed at each step and we do not move forward until he masters each step. Working on the open/utility foundations makes for a more exciting fun lesson. She is great trainer who demands focus and perfection at each step. We have a great time with her. In my dog club, I am in a competition proofing class right now. We all work at our own levels while proofing each other. That's a fun class too. Weird hats, toys thrown, etc- I am bringing a wheelchair to class next week as you never know what will happen in the ring!

I ran Max in our clubs Show N' Go yesterday. 2 pre-novice/novice runs and a rally run. He did great. I am working on more playing, more fun outside the house. He had beautiful focus on the stays even while the open dog was retrieving behind him 5' away. Never took his eyes off me. I always switched my stays. While others did the long sit, I did the down and vice versa.

I am taking all your advice and working on a plan: stricter at home, more fun outside the home!


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