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AuburnGSP
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| 11/26/2009 4:46 PM |
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Hey all,
I posted a forum about a month ago wondering in my three year old was too old to train and got great encouragement(thanks). We have learned heel pretty well, recall is getting pretty good, and whoa was coming along nicely until lately. I am using the pulley system to teach her to stay in one spot when whoa is used and when first beginning she understood. We did this for a few day and moved off of the pulley and onto a check chord and she progressed flawlessly. I am having alot of trouble getting her to whoa in the field however or really anywhere outside the two areas where she has been trained. Any suggestions would be great.
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Texas Belle
Austin, TX
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| 11/26/2009 10:18 PM |
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I am a newbie to the hunting training too, but have trained obedience for a long time. My guess would be you have progressed to fast in your training. I would back up in your training to the point where you were successful and start from there and progress more slowly. Usually when a dog behaves the way you are describing you have one of two problems: 1) the command is not as solid as you thought and/or 2) the dog knows you can't reinforce the command you are giving.
You didn't say if you have her on a check cord in the field, but if you don't you might want to put one on her so you can reinforce the command.
I am sure others will have some good advice as well. Good luck!! |
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pixie bee
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| 11/27/2009 7:47 AM |
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When you say she progressed flawlesly on the check cord you leave a lot of info to the imagination. What was she doing flawlessly?
What I look for before I start bird work is a dog whoaing 200' away while moving away fom you.Then, I intro birds in a controlled environment-tethered,walking,flapping,wild flush,ect- to a whoed dog and a dog moving free. the dog needs to understand what whoa really means.Dogs are unable to tranfer,w/o being taught,that command are to be followed in each and every situation,not just the 'kitchen'.
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TessaGA
Georgia
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| 11/28/2009 11:55 AM |
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I can't give much advice but my first thought was like the others, that you are moving along too fast.
I don't train as much as the others do so everything is taking us a loooong time, but basically I used whoa daily and in all kinds of situations and places, then added distractions, such as tennis balls etc, then started walking away, stepping over her, then whoaing her from afar when she has stopped in the field, then whoaing her while she is in motion etc. I whoa her during our regular city walks (on the leash). I want to make sure that she understands that anytime or anywhere I say whoa she has to come to a dead stop until I release her.
When she breaks a whoa I go to her, pick her up and carry her back to the spot where she was told to whoa. I do NOT repeat the command at that point. This has worked well for me. If I see her regress too much, back on the check cord she goes.
I have not started steadying her to wing or shot yet. |
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AuburnGSP
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| 11/28/2009 5:13 PM |
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| When i said she progressed flawlessly, I meant i never really used the check chord. She seemed to understand and whoa'd on command. We took a few days off and it was like she forgot everything and I know better but began to repeat the command. SHould i just start from the beginning again? Thanks for all the good advice. |
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Texas Belle
Austin, TX
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| 11/28/2009 8:23 PM |
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| I would back up one or two steps and see how she does. If you still have problems back up a little more. |
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pixie bee
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| 11/30/2009 5:50 AM |
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When prey is involved it is a hugh distraction. I would make sure she is whoaing,near perfect, off a cc while in motion at 200' away before going back to birds,unless you want to whoa break her after hunting season. Then I would do controlled bird contact. Place her on whoa and place a tethered bird in front of her,on the ground, about 50' away. Adjust her position as necessary,not letting her hold whoa more then she can handle. this may mean picking the bird up after a few seconds,letting her have some free time then whoaing her again. Over a period of time,maybe a month or more, you should be able to place the bird on her head. After this you can allow the bird to flap and walk around her - the same sequence as above - this may take a week or so.
Breaking a dog takes controlled bird work and depending on the level you want depends on how much work you do. |
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| 11/30/2009 7:33 AM |
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Watch Bruces STF tapes. Good stuff. Always go back to CC if results are not coming. Better to back up than move too fast. |
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Texas Belle
Austin, TX
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pixie bee
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| 11/30/2009 8:34 AM |
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Bruce's videos are good but they show an end result.
The last sentence in my above post really says a lot.
(I bet the cow knows how it was done)
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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murphys42002
texas
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| 12/02/2009 6:44 PM |
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| Do you use an e collor? |
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