Frank B
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| 07/06/2009 6:19 AM |
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Took my pup for a walk Sat night. Sounded like I was on a dove field. He totally ignored the noise of fireworks. He did watch a few of the big light explosions and went back to what he was doing. Smelling and frog chasing seemed top of his list. I figure if he showed no fear its a big step in gun training.
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Texas Belle
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| 07/06/2009 11:17 AM |
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Frank -
That is good that he was not bothered by the fireworks. I would also say you were lucky as fireworks can really freak a dog especially if he is not already introduced to a gun. I would still not take him into a dove hunt before he is introduced properly to a gun. |
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pixie bee
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| 07/06/2009 2:34 PM |
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I am going to say something that is not politically correct.
YOU ARE NUTS,for doing what you did, AND BETTER PICK UP A FEW BOOKS AND DVDs ON PROPER GUNDOG TRAINING AND GET ON HE HORN WITH A GOOD HUNTING DOG TRAINER!
Now I had my say.
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been far east
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| 07/06/2009 4:47 PM |
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Hello and welcome this weekend my brother in law had his two year old vizula in the yard . He goes with him. to trap shoots all the time and is used too guns a neighbor set off a fire cracker (a big boom)and he bolted was gone til2:30 a.m He found him at at emtpy old farm all bit up by bugs and shakeing . At first he was to scared to even come to my brother in law. He is safe back home but is very jumpy.PLEASE HAVE SOME ONE HELP YOU  remermber gun shyness is man made .There are lots of people here that have trained for many years .(BEEN FAR EAST) |
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Frank B
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| 07/07/2009 6:10 AM |
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Trust me, we sat on my porch and listened long before we went for a walk. He has never shown any signs of being scared. He's not afraid of thunder either. If he would had showed the slightest sign of worry we would have went inside. He was having fun all the way. Thats what I was looking for, as long as he was having fun, I knew we were good ! |
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Texas Belle
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| 07/07/2009 8:45 AM |
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| How old is your pup? Don't forget they go through fear periods growing up. So, he may have been fine this 4th, but might have more problems with it as he grows up. I know there are no more fireworks to speak of until New Years, but just wanted to mention fear periods so you are thinking about it as you progress your training. He may not ever be bothered by anything either. That is my boy, the happiest dog I have ever seen, nothing bothers him. Never has. Like your dog he has never been bothered by thunder, guns, and fireworks. Actually this 4th was his first time around fireworks. I wasn't too worried as he loves hunting and has been around guns and he had never indicated a problem with thunder. He heard the first fireworks and was immediately wondering where the birds were. He even liked the ones that whistle and then pop. My boy is a little over a year old. Good luck with your pup and training. |
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Frank B
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| 07/07/2009 8:55 AM |
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Thanks for the fear periods watch. I will keep an eye out. My pup is 5 mths old. Right now the only thing he fears is unfamiliar dogs. I work on that weekly with walks , meeting neighborhood dogs and take him to 2 different friends homes one with a lab one with 2 other pointers. He comes around fast once he knows hes safe. Other than that he is go hard , take a nap pup. He stays with me 24/7 , rides to work, etc. The only times he's left is if i'm doing something he can't, meetings etc. He's been deep sea fishing, actually pointed a small bird that landed on the boat. That might be a first. So funny. I think constant going makes him more confident. He is very calm for a GSP according to everyone who has met him, including the vet. I'm sure this is a product of being a 24/7 companion. He does not dig, or chew on thngs thats not his. So far he minds well. Sometimes he gets a little hard on the recall because he is into smelling in the yard but comes pretty quick overall. He is totally mad for bird feathers. He will hold a point for 5 minutes if I let him. Very happy with him so far. Lots of people have offered to take him off my hands but thats not going to happen. He's like my son now ! I"m sure you understand.
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Texas Belle
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Frank B
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| 07/07/2009 12:29 PM |
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Thanks for the tips, i'll be looking out for the signs. I'll keep you posted ! |
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pixie bee
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| 07/07/2009 2:12 PM |
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Sounds like a perfect match.
How does he range in the field? When he is out,off leash, with other dogs how does he behave?
I don't believe we have a picture. How's about one? |
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List_House
Midland, Pa (western, Pa)
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| 07/12/2009 11:31 AM |
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Since were talking about noise shyness. I was at a hunt club yesterday. I am new to training dogs to hunt. I had 3 other guys two with multiple MH titled dogs. My Dog Wyatt 8 months this was his second time on birds. He did excellent finding them and pointing. They were working other dogs that are gun broke. He was staked out next to the field and it didn't bother him. When they were doing that one of the guys asked me to let my dog loose to run with the older ones. They were all in thick cover and he fired the shotgun off! First one Wyatt paid no attention. Then the guy got closer and fired and Wyatt ducked, squated whatever you want to call it. The guy then started running and saying good boy and all the other dogs followed including Wyatt. Then he did it again and Wyatt squated/ducked again. But quickly recovered both times. After this we put three more birds down and I carried the blank gun and shot when we flushed the birds. Wyatt paid no attention to it at all. So I don't think there was any harm done.
Is this how some of you do it? The only way I know is the one I saw on perfect start. Which basically said this guy did everything wrong? But he has several MH titled dogs. How would you react? |
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Texas Belle
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| 07/12/2009 2:59 PM |
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| I wouldn't do it the way this guy did it. I am new to the hunt thing too, but I want my dog to think there is nothing but fun when in the field. So, I was very careful when I introduced the gun. I used the Perfect Start method. So far, since then Ringo has shown no fear at all and now associates anything that sounds like a gun shot with hunting birds. He immediately starts looking for the flushed bird or the other dogs on a bird and gets all revved up and ready to go. We are doing the same thing with the next level of training only with the ecollar. We are not using the ecollar anywhere near birds because at this stage we do not want him to associate any form of pressure, punishment, etc. with the bird. Birds have to always mean good things. That is just my two cents. |
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pixie bee
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| 07/12/2009 4:36 PM |
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It's not the way I would have done it, if I was uncertain about my dog.
Free isn't always the best.
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List_House
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| 07/12/2009 8:24 PM |
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| I wasn't there to train specifically with that guy. It was just a group of guys for me to learn the ropes from and this guy just sorta took over. So it wasn't about free training but getting with folks who do lots of this and putting Wyatt on birds. I have only read one book and watched the perfect start. Wondered if this was different way of doing it? |
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pixie bee
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| 07/13/2009 6:03 AM |
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I know what you are saying and I've been in the position you have been in.
My comment about free not always being the best was more about the title of this thread then a specific individual.
The way it was done for Wyatt really can't be judged here b/c you have not mentioned distances and what guage gun was used and was he pointing away from Wyatt and what Wyatt was doing,was there a bird involved,ect. When intro'ing a dog to something it is so,so important to see and know what is going on with the dog. The 'get 'er done' attitude is not my way of doing things, there is no room for macho in dog training. Many times I have a plan and it is changed b/c it just isn't right at the time.
Before someone lets someone train their dog or takes advice from them, find out if their training philosophy matches their own. More people then you think use an e-collar to achieve success,simply b/c they can't do it w/o the collar. Also, I find that they will often deny how much they use the collar but one good look at how their dog performs and you know they held back just a little info. Some people think the collar is a gift from above, I think it is a tool to be used sparingly and wisely. |
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pixie bee
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| 07/14/2009 7:58 AM |
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I apologize for my first post on this thread. After re-reading it I realized it was a tad bit out spoken. Knowing what can happen as a result of such introductions I can tend to get over excited and angry and post w/o thinking.
It is important to understand an individual dog's temperment then go about a training plan.
Francine
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List_House
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| 07/14/2009 11:44 AM |
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Pixie
No worries, first off I hyjacked Franks thread. So you saw free in the subject. Secondly I have read most of your posts and know you are a straight shooter with solid advice! Finally I was a little upset and shocked my self. I talked to the President of the club and he said that the fella is well respected but is known to have some aggressive tactics. So I have that experience under my belt and hopefully there are no ill effects to Wyatt. Next time I will know to say "what do you want me to release my dog for?"
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Texas Belle
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| 07/14/2009 12:49 PM |
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| List House - Always be careful when someone just tells you to do something with your dog with know explanation up front. A good trainer will always offer help/advice and explain anything they are suggesting fully to you up front. They will also be very cognizant of different training methodologies and that you may not agree with their methodology. They will also defer to you as you know your dog better than anyone else. It is easy to get caught by a confident person when you are learning and looking for help. You learned a valuable lesson with not harm which is good. Good luck in the future. |
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TessaGA
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| 07/15/2009 8:32 AM |
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For Tessa it is kinda the other way around.
First introduction coincidentally via nail guns from roofers, took her as close as she was comfortable with, on a check cord. Second introduction via starter pistol in the field, then shotguns in the field, and last, shotgun fired over her. She usually pops up her head and looks towards the echo, then goes on hunting.
She wasn't too crazy though about the fireworks going off in our street for three nights straight. Had her inside, she would get a little agitated, circling, but recovered fast. |
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Texas Belle
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