I didn't say the numbers were more then ticked I said solid liver are not uncommon.
 

The problem is, the original poster was correct in the word usage. Uncommon does not mean, "I've never seen one before", it merely means they are far less common than the predominant marking patterns which are ticked and patched.

Most gun dog stakes and even all age stakes are retrieving stakes if they are put on by a weim, GSP, Viszla, or GWP club. You cannot finish an FC or AFC without a minimum of four retrieving points.

Entries usually cost no more than 40-55.00 per entry so it's not exactly a huge financial commitment unless you go hog wild with a bunch of dogs, horses etc.

"One dimensional" or not, you could actually learn quite a bit about the dogs, the breed, and the people involved by attending a few trials with an open mind and a willingness to learn.

Here's the "poop" on that trial. You should come out.





 

thank you for the invite.

I suspect birdman meant black and white ticked and patched. 

Anyway, the black, black and whites, and the solid livers are uncommon in my neck of the woods.  I have only seen a couple solid livers in the last six years.  One was being tried in Hunt Tests. The other was a pup in the confirmation ring. Both of these were in the last year.  Prior to that I had never seen a solid liver.  I have not yet seen any blacks or black and whites.

The further south you go the fewer you will see.  It's a combination of heat tolerance and the fact that the solids are so hard to see in the field in our part of the country.  Solid dogs can flat disappear in a heart beat, even at close range when they blend in with the mesquite and brush.  Everything down here is one shade or another of brown or gray during hunting season!

I see at least one solid liver every day, the other two I own live at my dad's place though... .

Cracker's mom "Blaze" is a solid liver.  She throws one or two solids in every litter no matter whom she's bred to.  The only way to raise that percentage would be to breed her to a Solid male.  That is why solid liver or solid black is the least common marking pattern in the breed.

Cracker is one of my all time favorite dogs but I gave him to a friend a month or so ago after he won a big derby stake.

solid is NOT common on the midwest. COMMON is brown face, with livered and ticked. 90% of the dogs i have seen throughout the Hunting season and family dogs (including my cheif of police has a Livered and ticked GSP) and my dog is the SECOND solid livered i have seen after i saw his mother Ginger.

 My breeder had 7 puppies and my dog was the ONLY livered dog there was in the pack. and i requote again... the breeder said it was NOT common for the solids to be born..... (maybe in your part it is, but not in my part of the states.) like i said. i have only seen TWO and that is including my own...

ive been around lodges since i was 14 years old with my dad.. MOST common dogs were Black labs, Golden Labs and GSP with livered and ticked. NEVER once saw a Solid Livered GSP and im now 29 years old.

This is GLOCK (the Police Cheif I work for owns this dog.)

Actually 4 of the 28 GSP's we owned when I was a kid were solid liver dogs.  Of the hundreds of others I saw growing up hunting with our friends at least 90% were liver/white/ticked/patched, most of the rest were white/liver/patched or patched and ticked.

This debate is silly

 On that we at least can agree.  However the definition of "uncommon" isn't going to change to suit you.  The science of genetics is not subject to personal whims and it's genetically impossible for solids to be anything BUT uncommon breed wide.

My "neighborhood travels have encompassed over 40 states and 11 foreign countries looking at GSP's over the last 40 years.  Between hunting, trialing, and judging trials last year I saw GSP's in nine states, from over thirty states. In that span of time I've seen thousands of GSP's. 

The most common color for the breed is still liver/patched/ticked.  White and liver patched is a close second.  The most uncommon marking pattern is solid.  The most uncommon color is black.

Both black and solid are dominant traits.  You cannot have either expressed in the offspring unless at least one parent is either black, solid, or both.

The only way either will ever become common is if black and/or solid dogs begin to dominate in both field and show and neither is going to happen.

Genetics and Mathematics make any other conclusion impossible.

Pull out your most recent issue of the GSP Chronicle or Shorthair Journal and count total pictures of dogs, and total pictures of Solids and blacks and get back to us with the percentages of each.

 I feel bad for the new guy, his warm greeting got derailed by the type of feuding that has made me pretty much avoid the GSP forum, people just don't know how to dialogue these days. Both of you have wasted your time on this discussion, find more productive things to do...

Pointing out facts and correcting misstatements is never a waste of time.

For over twenty years I"ve seen Shorhairs from all over this country and Europe. I see no more solids as a percentage than I did twenty years ago. I see thousands of GSP's from all over this country every year, and I see no higher percentage of solids today than I did thirty years ago.

The science of genetics and the passing of dominant traits has not changed, neither has mathematics.

As a percentage of the breed solids are but a small fraction. Barring some major change in what people want in a GSP they will remain but a small fraction of the breed. Hence they are far less common, than any other marking pattern. Black GSP's were the fad dog to have for about 7-10 years. The fad however, like all fads, died. Yes there are more black GSP's in the country today than thirty years ago (when there were statistically none) but neither solids, nor blacks make up any siginificant portion of the breed and are not "common", therefoe by definition are "uncommon".

If some "breeders" choose to use words like uncommon and rare to sell puppies that's just the way the world turns. It doesn't however change the meaning of the words common and uncommon.

No other "proof" is necessary.

Have a good day.

Actually thats 2 words but I agree. A good dog cant be the wrong color.

Whoever said a White dog is more desirable for hunting obviously hasnt hunted very far north. A white dog will disappear into the snow. Not saying the darker dogs are more favourable but unless your hunting in the South there there is no snow a white dog isnt any better than a brown one.

I was being sarcastic...  I know you guys dont know me but thats how I am.