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01/16/2009 9:54 AM  

I have a 15 week old pup, my 2nd GSP and I wanted to ask a question regarding gun shyness. My last GSP had a problem with gun blast while hunting. I started off with a cap pistol across the yard at feeding time (she ate indoors) and gradually moved closer. I am an avid skeet shooter and took her to the range numerous times, starting from far away and moving closer over the course of 2 weeks. She showed no signs of fear or concern.  I used to bring her onto the field and literally shot 1000's of times with her within 50 feet of me.

It was a different story when she put up her first pheasant and I shot OVER her. She would cower, shake and refuse to range after the 1st shot. I tried for a long time to fix this with little success. It got so bad, she would freak out at the sight/smell of my shotgun case.

What's the consensus on not causing this problem in the first place?


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01/16/2009 10:45 AM  
Buy from parents and lines that have never shown it, or produced dogs with it.

With what you describe, you did everthing right (a lot more then I ever do) I do tell people not to take dogs to trap or skeet ranges.
If you take her in the field without a gun how does she react? Did this happen more then once? And, how old was she when this happened?

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01/16/2009 11:50 AM  
It is possible the bird frightend her. A pheasant is a large bird and it sounds like thunder when they go up or maybe she was close and it hit her. And then the gun and she related the gunfire to the experience.


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01/16/2009 8:30 PM  
I agree that buying from dogs who are not gunshy is a good start but not the end all. My dogs dam is gun sensitive but my dog is not the least. Knowing that issue i introduced my dog to loud sounds very slowly.

I agree with pixie; if your dog was startled or even poked or hurt at the time the "boom" went off your dog made an association. Similiar story i read about a hunter training a dog who touched a electric horse fence while going on point for a bird..bad association was formed.

This was my approach and im sure there are a million others but i started with banging a few small pans near my dog while eating. Over a few days i got closer and closer and louder and louder over the weeks. Then i went to a cap gun outside and ingnored him if he acted startled even the least....soon it was a shot gun from a distance. None the less he is not gun sensitive even a bit.

As for correction to your situation you need to some how (and that is up to your) reward your dog when the boom is going off and ignore the coward behavior. I would back up to a cap gun and maybe shoot it in the air and give your dog a hunk of baked liver...do that for a bit and work your way louder and louder. Step by step your dog should eventually transition to a gun and birds and soon unerstand the boom is a good thing.

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01/22/2009 4:02 PM  
Posted By pixie bee on 01/16/2009 11:50 AM
It is possible the bird frightend her. A pheasant is a large bird and it sounds like thunder when they go up or maybe she was close and it hit her. And then the gun and she related the gunfire to the experience.


In all the days I have spent in the field with dozens of dogs ranging from 6week old puppies to 2 year old adults starting on birds. A pheasant has NEVER scared a dog to this extent. Even your "show" bred dog is a little surprised for the 1st one but will chase the 2nd.

Not to mentiont he fact that he says after the 1st shot the dog wont range. This shows it wasnt the bird but infact the gun.

I would say either somthing is left out in your story or the dog was so focused on that bird the gun scared it. But even then your dog shouldnt have gotten this scared. Somthing happened before the incident with the pheasant that caused this gun Shyness.

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01/22/2009 5:37 PM  

I am by no means an expert in gun shyness, but I have been a dog trainer for a while and have recently gotten into training my dogs for hunting.  I looked at allot of methods and talked to allot of GSP and pointing dog hunt trainers and almost everyone recommended the method used by Perfection Kennels.  I used it with my boy, Ringo, and it worked wonderfully.  I did this when Ringo was 4 mos old and he never even paid attention to the gun shots.  Basically, you introduce the dog to birds and get then interested in the birds and really excited.  Then you get someone to stand across a field with a gun and after the dog points you flush the bird and the person on the other side of the field shoots the gun. Before long the dog is associating the gun shot with birds.  Gradually move the gun closer.  If the dog reacts at all to the gun move back a little and continue.  With Ringo he never reacted to the gun and within a couple of hours we were shooting a blank over him.  Granted Ringo comes from really good hunting lineage, but so far it has worked well with all my dogs.  This is not getting them used to the sound so much as associating something they like (birds) with the sound (like the bell ring with Pavlov's salivating dogs).


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01/23/2009 6:46 AM  
There is no mention of introducing the dog to birds prior to the first hunt. If this was the dogs first bird,first hunt,first point, I can see being startled by a pheasant causing a problem.
We do not know the dog's prey drive or temperment.
There may be peices of the puzzle missing.


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01/23/2009 6:50 AM  
Posted By pixie bee on 01/23/2009 6:46 AM
There is no mention of introducing the dog to birds prior to the first hunt. If this was the dogs first bird,first hunt,first point, I can see being startled by a pheasant causing a problem.
We do not know the dog's prey drive or temperment.
There may be peices of the puzzle missing.


Not unless the dog is extremly timid would a pheasant be a problem and if that was the case signs of gunshyness would have shown prior to the first intorduction of birds.

I do agree though with the perfection kennels video idea. Get yourself a copy of that, follow it and you wont have a problem.

I just get my dogs reved up for birds. Usually running them 3 or 4 times a week on wild birds. Once the dog is chasing the birds and that all he is thinking about do I shoot. I use a 20ga. and planted birds if season isnt open. I wait until I can get a quartering away shot, the dog is about 30 yrds away, and I make darn sure I drop that bird. Its even better if you can wing them so they have a little life in them. That way when the gun goes off if pup turns around he is attention is quickly turned from me to the birds fluttering around. This is what works for me.

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