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09/13/2008 4:36 PM  

Hi! Our 5 1/2 mth old german shorthair puppy is starting to develop bad habits! She pulls on the leash, darts at anything on wheels, and sniffs and eats every thing on the sidewalk. She use to be curious on the leash but easily directed. Is this normal gsp adolescent behavior that will eventually go away as she becomes an adult?

Maybe we need to do exercises that teach her to focus on us...I know every dog is different but is there generally a method of teaching shorthairs to focus on their owner that's best?

Or maybe she just needs a job to focus on...can anyone suggest an appropriate job for a 5 1/2 mth old puppy? Is she too young to be carrying a backpack?


Every morning we walk her and do a bit of obedience training (sit,down, crawl, touch, etc) for about 30 minutes, then again during lunch time for 15 minutes. In the evening we take her to a dog run and she gets off-leash running for about 45 minutes. Her last walk lasts about 15 minutes right before we go to bed around midnight. I don't think it's that she isn't getting enough exercise, so I am a loss since we seem to be going backwards...

Any guidance would be appreciated..this is our first gsp!

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09/13/2008 7:39 PM  
Sounds to me like a puppy. She wants to GO!! things on wheels (I am assuming cars, bicyclists, rollerblades) are something fast she can chase. Sounds like she just wants to chase. Might be time to implement some leash training. You need to teach her its time to walk by your side at heel from now on.

Offleash is good but 45 minutes for a 5.5 month old just inst enough if she has this much energy. I would bump it up to an hour or 75 min.
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09/14/2008 2:26 PM  

I agree it sounds like puppy behaviour.  At this point you should be doing serious obedience training with your pup.  She should be doing really well on sit, down, stay, and you should be working on heeling and the recall.  I also like to introduce puppies to leave it, drop and watch me early.  There are lot's of good obedience books out there for teaching theses commands, but if you can find a good obedience class in your area that is much better. Often the teachers end up working with the handler more than the dog.  They can also give you one on one guidance for your situation. 

For leave it, start in a controlle area with interesting things on the floor.  Don't make it too hard as you want your dog to succeed.  As you walk by with your dog on a leash, as she shows interest tell her leave it and give a little pop if she doesn't respond and walk on by.  Praise her for success.  Keep working this until she responds just to the command, then work in hard things like food and distractions like you would find on a walk.  Once you get into an uncontrolled situation though you need to pay attention to what is on the sidewalk ahead so you can give the command as she comes up to something.

Drop is taught when the dog has something in his mouth (at first not something he really likes) and you say drop and gently remove the item from his mouth.  Then lot of praise and give the item right back.  You do not want the dog to think you are taking the item away for ever (right now).  Repeat until you get success and gradually make the exercise harder.

Watch me is use with food.  I hold a treat in my hand near my face and say watch me.  The dog should be looking at you, so treat.  Repeat and repeat.  Then you can say watch me without the food near you face, if you get a glance in your direction treat and praise.  Repeat and repeat.  Now add in more distractions.  You can also stand with the dog on a leash. He should be watching you.  The moment he looks else where turn and walk briskly the opposite direction without a sound to the dog.  This will teach the dog to pay attention to you as he will never know when you will decide to move.


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09/14/2008 5:39 PM  
I agree that this is normal puppy behavior, one thing we started though was to have him stand in the driveway with my kids and their friends riding their bikes in circles around us. Everytime he tried to get out of a "sit/Stay" I would correct him.... if your puppy is starting to pull on the leash try looping the leash right under the chin to hold the head up. This keeps the dogs from being able to pull. ... it is not a prefered walking position for most dogs, but keep praising them for "heeling" and giving treats. Then I unhook and try the command again. if he pulls he gets pulled back, reprimanded and we go back to the leash. ...

One thing about 5 months is you are starting to get into a size issue where their exercise needs are starting to increase. You might want to look into biking with your dog (I LOVE my walkydog) it is an attachment that you hook under the seat then to a harness on the dog and he gets to run next to you while you bike

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09/14/2008 6:51 PM  
Great advice so far....puppies are so much work but if you stick with the obedience, add more time for exercise, it will get better. As stated above, find a good obedience class and go from there, you will learn how to be a better handler and have a more well behaved pup. There are a lot of different training methods, so see if you can check out a few different classes and go with the one your most comfortable with. Whatever you decide to do don't give up, keep positive and most of all have fun with your pup!
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09/14/2008 7:22 PM  
Thank you all for the replies! I feel much more as ease knowing it's probably more related to normal puppy behavior than something like anxiety.

We did a puppy obedience class already and while indoors performs wonderfully (she does know leave it, drop, watch, among others). It's the outside that's too much of a distraction. We wouldn't be concerned about it, but up until about a few weeks ago she would perform those commands outside as well. We were even starting to get a heel. Now she seems to find everything else more interesting and as ryangsp put it, wants to go, go, go! We tried increasing the treats but even that sometimes isn't enough to get her attention.

I'll try increasing her exercise and correcting with a pop when she gets out of a heel.


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09/15/2008 8:35 AM  
The funny thing about obedience classes is that people tend to think that they are a take once and you are done scenario...

I agree with add a little more exercise time into your puppy's day, especially right before a training session, and look into obedience classes again. Now that you and your dog have bonded more, the structure offered in the class can help you both work together and get to the next level of training. It can also give you the opportunity to work with different trainers who can point out some of the things that you are doing that can be sabotaging your dog learning what you want her to learn.

As humans we don't stop our education at kindergarten, so why should we stop our dog's education that early?

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09/15/2008 11:30 AM  

Also, keep in mind as a pup approaches the 9 months mark (it varies dog to dog on the exact timing) they get what I call the puppy stupids where they seem to forget everything they have learned and do more testing of you.  This is equivalent to the teenage years.  So, stay consistent and firm and above all be patient.


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09/15/2008 12:10 PM  
Dogs need decipline,structure,rules and boundaries.
Dogs learn what you let them do. When being taught the trainer must be clear and set the pup up for success. Don't assume the puppy knows what you want or that the same command must be obeyed in different situations. Know to sit in the kitchen when expecting a treat is no tthe same as sitting when at the park with major distractions,even with a treat.Heeling when it's just the 2 of you is not the same as heeling when another dog is passing by. A trainer can not be angry at a dog that was not taught properly.(not that this applys to your training sessions,it's just some rules to keep in mind)
Francine


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10/10/2008 11:41 AM  
This being a thread from a month ago...your dog is now 6.5 months...how is it going?

At that age they are starting to become more independent so it may just be time to up the obedience to a more formal level and increase the exercise. I would refrain from doing any roadwork (biking, jogging etc), backpack carrying or agility with the dog until at least 12-18 months old when the bones and joints are fully developed. For now, I would just up the off-leash play run & fetch time. I am doing one hour in the a.m. and 1 hour in the p.m. (off-leash at her pace) with a 14-week old.

Re leash pulling you may want to try this: whenever the pup pulls, stop and make yourself a post, meaning, stand still and look up, ignore the pup. As soon as the leash slackens resume walking. Basicallly, the consequence for the pup pulling is: everything stops = boring! At first it will take forever to get somewhere because you need to stop every time the leash goes taut, but it has always worked for me. All I want at this age is for her to walk nicely on the leash. Heel I usually teach at 5-6 months.

BTW this is my first GSP as well. Although she is more energetic than my previous pups of other breeds, it is really typical puppy behavior. Adolescence...I think when it hits you will know it...that's when they forget EVERYthing they ever learned. My trainer's advice: Cut them a little slack (meaning don't overdo the corrections) but keep up regular training sessions throughout even if you think nothing's sinking in - because it is - you will see it once they come out of that phase (pray that it's short).

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11/19/2008 1:59 PM  
Wow your post brought back memories :oD.

This it totally normal...don't take it personally! I found at 5 1/2 months exercise was the biggest thing. He was very obedient knew lots of commands etc. But the thing is puppies just don't have a huge attention span or a lot of self control so when they have energy things just have to happen! :oD.

I like to think of puppy energy like a big pot of water on the stove, if you just leave it and do nothing it's has to go somewhere...after awhile it's all gone to steam and we have one less pot around the house (come on we've all burned a pot or two in our life time haven't we). Puppies have to do something with their energy too....it doesn't just go away, the thing is their method usually doesn't turn out so good.

What worked for me was to run Remington beside me while I rode my bicycle. Not to fast at first, and I made sure that I wasn't running him too much. For me this was great because it would take too long to give him a walk that would expel the same amount of energy...and when you have to get to work on time you can't be walking a whole country block. Plus when you are moving faster like that the dog is forced to focus...well because the bike is leaving. They can't afford to look around and get distracted.

We have now successfully gotten over the middle hump of the 5,6,7 month syndrome yaaaa! Just remember you're doing fine, it's not you, it's not your puppy....Be ready to give corrections when their needed and just keep burning that energy off and you'll all be just fine.
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11/19/2008 6:12 PM  
Great replys.
I am also wondering what progress you guys have made.


Francine


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11/20/2008 1:51 PM  
Oh man...mine is only just about to hit 5 months...teething heavily...getting a little sassy...adolescence will make it worse. I feel like I am preparing for an emergency landing.

I always say, God made these dogs sooo adorable for a reason.

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11/20/2008 3:00 PM  

Tessa -  Ringo just finished the teething.  I wasn't sure we would survive.  his mouth was on everything.  I lost two covers to my lawn furniture, have teeth marks in an adirondack chair and a coffee table in the den, and Belle and Halo had tooth marks on their ears.  I think we were all glad when the last tooth went, even Ringo.  He is not nearly as nutty now and he is still moving into adolescents. I personally think the teething period is the hardest.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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11/23/2008 9:42 AM  
That's one thing I have to admit I never had a problem with. Remi NEVER chewed anything when he was teething....he would pick up a lot of soft things and get really hyper and annoying but he NEVER destroyed a thing. I feel pretty lucky.
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