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07/09/2008 6:10 AM  

I've been working on training Lola (15wks) to retrieve.  I first started in the house then moved to our small fenced back yard.  She retrieves extremely well in the contained environment. However when I take her to the park in our neighborhood she loses all interest (like she's got add).  I'm guessing the curiousity of the open space is overwhelming for her at this age and that is causing the loss of interest.  Anyone have any tips as to how to get her to focus and increase the drive to retrieve?


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07/09/2008 6:53 AM  

Relax, she is just a puppy.  Let her have some fun.  She will get their.  Just keep playing retrieve with her in the contained area, and take her to the park for play time.  She will get used to the park and eventually will do retrieves just fine in the park and other areas.


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07/09/2008 7:19 AM  
That's what I figured. She just catches on so quickly to other things that i guess i was ready to rush her.

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07/10/2008 6:07 PM  
I have the same problem with Wachter... he only retrieves outside if there is a risk that someone else (namely another dog) is going to take the toy. I figure it is a puppy thing

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08/26/2008 9:02 AM  
I am a Lab person having owned and hunted over 4 for the past 15 years. I have now joined the GSP world and have a 13 week old female who is well socialized but only now starting her basic obedience training now that I have her.

I have been trying to get her to do simple bumper fetching indoors in a hallway or outdoors (just 2-3 yards). This has been a frustrating experience as the labs have always taken right to fetching bumpers or tennis balls. I keep the session short. Maybe 3 or 4 repititions 3 times a day. Her "Come" and "Sit" training is coming along very well but she may only retrieve the bumper/ball 1 out of the 3 or 4 attempts. Praise is provided in spades when we have success but I am frustrated in her lack of interest in retrieving the item.

My questions are, is it my problem with a lack of enthusiasm with the pup or does it just take more and more repition with GSPs? And secondly. Does it really matter when training the dog to hunt woodcock/grouse/pheasent? Is an introduction to birds likely to bring out the drive?
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08/26/2008 10:06 AM  

I don't hunt my GSPs, but I do train and show in obedience.  Each one of my three have been different in the retrieving arena.  In the early stages (before I teach a forced retrieve with the dumbell for Open) I make it a play game.  Each of mine has responded differently.  My oldest learned to retrieve easily, but was about 4 - 5 months when we started her retrieving.  Halo, my number 2 furkid, didn't learn a good retrieve until she was about 1.5 years old.  She wanted to play keep away. Between Belle and Halo, Halo is much stronger now in retrieving and returning.  Most of that came after I taught her the forced retrieve witht he dumbell.

My new kid, Ringo, who is 3 mos started retrieving as soon as we brought him home at 8 weeks.  I found out by accident as I was playing with a ball with him and he ran and got it and brought it back.  We do this all the time now. 

I never reward the retrieve with food, just lots of praise.  I also make the retrieve a game with my dogs.  If they do what I want the game continues, if not game over.  That worked really well with Halo when she wanted to play keep away.  I never chased my dogs when we were doing retrieve as that just reinforces the bad behavior. 

I would just keep playing with your pup and eventually he will start showing interest (just keep is short and fun, don't make it too much like work).  I have yet to see a GSP that didn't like to retrieve.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

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08/26/2008 11:21 AM  
Thanks TB.

We will keep at it all in fun. It was easy to wear out a lab put playing retrieving games. I'm having a more challenging time burning off all the puppy energy with this GSP but she is worth it. She is turning into a bigger lap dog then any of my labs ever were.
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08/26/2008 12:28 PM  

I feel your pain, but you are right they are worth it a million times over.  That is why I have 3 GSPs now.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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08/27/2008 8:05 PM  
Remi was like this too. Be patient. Remi was perfect all the time and then all of a sudden wanted to play keep away all the time...or acted like he didn't know what fetch ment anymore. I backed off on the retrieve for quite awhile...it does take quite a bit of focus and that's hard for a young puppy (and I figured I didn't want to teach him that fetch ment he could go grab it and keep it away from me). I gradually started using fetch again but not over large distances and he was always rewarded for coming back. I was also careful not to go "just one more time". We have to remember that these guys are just like little kids and even if they are smart as a whip they can't form high school level sentences when they are barely past kindergarten. One time well will sink in a lot more then 10 times poorly.

Remi is almost 8mths now and his retrieving is great. I am still careful to not push him too far though. But I don't have to treat him every time and we can play fetch for fun now! He has now found the pleasure in my praise and chasing the stick, ball, frisbee, or whatever....yes some toys he likes to try to keep to himself more than others, but hey no body is perfect.
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09/02/2008 2:07 PM  
Thanks everyone. Patience paid off.
This past weekend was a fetching bonanza. They key was zero distractions and a orange tennis ball. we made the transition to bumper this morning. Now to try the edge of the water before it gets to cold.
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09/02/2008 9:54 PM  

Congratulations.  GSPs are great retrievers on land and in water.  Have fun!!z


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato
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