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escull Northern California
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| 03/26/2008 9:44 PM |
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If so, what did you do with your pup?
We just got a 12 week old male gsp. He is amazing.
In the beginning, we had him inside an ex-pen with a crate and potty pads. That became messy so we put it outside. Now, he is able to escape somehow, and is lucky he hasn't been electricuted.
I'm lucky enough to be a teacher living working close to home, and I am able to come home at 12:30, hang out for 30 minutes and go back to school. I race home at 3:00 and take him out of the pen. 
However, now that he can escape, and is not housebroken we need a new system. The vet says to crate him is not healthy for his bones, and recommends building a dog run. We rent, and can't lay down concrete... Does anyone have any creative options?
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After the first night home, we were suckered into having him sleep with us . We blame it on "bonding" that will help in the field, since he's so recently removed from the pack. The vet and obedience trainer laugh at this and think we are suckers.
What do/did you all do? The hubby is learning how to hunt and will be taking him to a field trainer.
Looking forward to sharing our progress!
Love to be here,
Erin
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Trey SW Iowa
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| 03/27/2008 5:31 AM |
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| Well, if your vet was right on the healthy bones, there would be thousands, if not millions of dogs with bad bones. Most people that work have dogs and use crates while the dogs are young. It is the easiest way to housebreak a pup. At 3 month old he will be fine in the crate in the house until you can give him his lunch break. Just make sure you let him run around the yard in the morning before you crate him, and take him for a good walk in the afternoon when you get home. You won't be damaging you dog at all. And, I think we let all of our first dogs sleep in bed! If you don't want him there on a permanent basis, you will have to crate him and listen to him scream for a while. But, one gs in the bed isn't so bad! |
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hunter Ashville, Ohio
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| 03/31/2008 8:03 AM |
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You are very fortunate to work so close to home. My husband and I work 20 and 25 miles from work each, so lunch visits are non-existance with the distance we travel. My mother lives next door and is nice enough to come in once a day, when her schedule allows, to let our girl out. It doesn't always work for us though. She is almost six months old and for some reason, she can't hold it for 4 hours. I think I should call the vet and see if we need to pay them a visit about this !
Letting our female GS sleep in bed with us was th eonly way for us to get a good nights sleep!! We couldn't stand the howling, barking, whining night after night after night - no matter how we scolded her. At first I kept her on a retractable leash whiel she was in bed for about a week, just so I could tell when she moved (didn't get much shut eye though!), and in her puppy chewing stage, I have had to re-sew the nylon leash that she almost chewed through. But I have learned if she starts getting on and off the bed in the middle of the night or starts getting restless, I better get her outside & quick!!
We have withheld water a few hours before we go to bed, and she holds it all night, we have left water down until we go to bed and she can hold it all night - up to six hours or so. But you think she can hold it during the day??? No.... |
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nousek03 FL
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| 03/31/2008 12:02 PM |
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How do people feel about crates versus outdoor dog runs, when the whole family has to leave the house for an afternoon or morning? Is it better to have a contained area outside where the dog can run around unattended, or keep the dog inside in a crate? I've always used a crate, but my husband thinks that's too confining for the dog and an outdoor run would be better.
Along those lines, is it helpful to have a dog bed in addition to the crate? Or does that 'confuse' the dog as to where it's den is? Will that help with dogs wanting to get into bed at night?
Thanks for the advice!
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wgspr rescue Milwaukee, WI
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| 04/07/2008 3:08 PM |
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| If you choose out door run, remember this is a GSP here....they get bored, most can jump or climb chain link, and zippity doodah, be up and over the kennel and gone, gone, gone. Put a top on that thang. Put a good lock on it, or someone will steal your dog unattended left outside. I would prefer mine are in their crates inside where I know they are safe. When people email me wondering if rescue ran across their missing dog, 99% of the time they had their dog in an outdoor kennel run when the dog disappeared. I'm not about to take chances with mine. Just my opinion. |
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Lisa C. Rossman WI GSP Rescue, Inc (wgspr.com) "Until there are none, rescue just one!"
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Pointer Fan Westminster, Colorado
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| 04/07/2008 9:23 PM |
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| We have a yard with a six foot wood fence. We also have a dog door which was put in when we had our last dog and we took off the back off the crate and and put it against the dog door so Molly could be outside or inside in her crate when we were gone. Now we are retired so are home most of the day. Our dogs have always slept in their own beds on the main floor level of our house. Molly started out sleeping in her crate (the only dog we have had that was crate trained) but now just sleeps in her bed. She is now allowed the run of the house and the yard when we are gone and is totally non destructive. We do lock the dog door at night to prevent her from tangling with the raccoons that raid our fish ponds on occasion. |
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Ace1cappuccino Carp Lake, Michigan
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| 04/07/2008 9:46 PM |
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| I have outdoor pens for them when I am gone during the day. I put an electric fence along the bottom and top of the pens to keep them from getting out. I am still worried about someone stealing them though. Thankfully we are always on different shifts so someone is usually always here with them. |
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Cornell's GSP'S- Mocha cappuccino, Lili Belle Lotte, Sir Leopold Vom Hunter 1, Lil Miss Lotte Doddi, Ace Hunter Twisted Mister(GSP'S)  
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bravepoint North Gower, ON Canada
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| 04/08/2008 7:29 PM |
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I don't work 8-5 but agree with the posters above about leaving my dogs outside. I never do if no one is home as I would hate for them to be stolen from my yard. They're are out in 1 acre fenced with 5' chain link. They don't climb over though 1 used to dig under. When we leave them in the house when we're out, they're confined to our mud room where their crates are. The crate doors are open so they lie in their crates but are not locked in. It works for me! Gail |
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Gail, Moka, Avery, Terra & Rayne Bravepoint GSPs
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nousek03 FL
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| 04/09/2008 10:47 AM |
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As usual the problem comes down to people problems! I guess being inside is just generally better for the dog's health and, if it's the case of only being out for an hour or two, the amount of additional exercise they would get in a run really wouldn't be worth the risk.
I also worry that a dog in a run outside could be approached, antagonized or even hurt by stray or escaped dogs that wander around outside. People in some parts of my area are pretty bad about letting their dogs have free roam of the neighborhood, and I just have scary pictures in my head about making my own dog helpless (because it's confined) against an aggressive wanderer, whether it's stray or let loose.
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jedidiah Northern WI
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| 04/09/2008 11:03 AM |
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I was in the similar situation when I first got Jed. I would crate, go home at noon to let him out and play, then head back to work. The neighbors daughter was kind enough to go over and let him out and play with him as well.
Doing it this way worked for awhile, but it pretty much ate up my lunch hour as it was a 20min drive each way. I was lucky enough to find a daycare for him now, and have been dropping him off on my way to work and picking him up on my way home. I feel it is so much better for him than sitting in his crate by himself all day. Some days when I pick him up, he is so tired from playing hard all day, he falls asleep on the way home. Of course though, we still have to play fetch when we get home no matter what! Dogs, you gotta love them!
I think I must have been extemely lucky with him. He has pretty much slept through the night since the first day I brought him home. I did have to get up early around 4-5am a few times to let him out. Although, I did get suckered as well, and he has been sleeping on my bed since day one.
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jagermeister Seattle, WA
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| 05/09/2008 2:22 PM |
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| i am gone at work from 7 to 4 and live in an apartment so i cannot leave my pup at home even in a kennel because he goes absolutely crazy. you can hear him crying blocks away so i had to take him to doggy day care instead. I admit it is expensive but it is best for both of us. He gets to play the whole day and socialize with other dogs. When he gets home he is worn out and sleeps pretty much the rest of the night. It is good on me cause i know he is having fun and not locked up in a jail cell (kennel) for 8 or 9 hours and my neighbors don't have to hear him crying and whining all day. So i have found the expense to be worth it. the day care is only blocks from my house so i can drop him off on the way to work and pick him up on the way home and i have to say it is working out wonderfully, except for the cost but i have no kids so spending some money to keep my dog mentally healthy and sane is worth it for me. |
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jdavis Richwood, Tx
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| 05/09/2008 2:41 PM |
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If you don't mind me asking, what is the price of doggie day care there? the lady quoted me 26/day for my two here.
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jagermeister Seattle, WA
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| 05/09/2008 4:13 PM |
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| the place i take my pup to is around $25 a day but they have discounts for buying a 15 day package deal. I don't know why they did not make it a 20 day deal so i could pay for the whole month but the 15 day package is $325 dollars for the 15 days and they are open from 7am to 7pm so i can leave my dog there for up to 12 hours. they are also open on weekends and they charge $15 a day for the weekend but the hours are shorter. That is expensive but if i kept my pup in my apartment he would be miserable in the kennel all day and he would bark and howl and cry so loud the neighbors would complain and i would get evicted so i pretty much have to pay for his day care. Besides i don't like to keep a dog in a kennel for hours on end and i like the idea that he is playing with other dogs all day instead of being all alone in the jail cell at home all day. |
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carlower1 Kansas
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| 05/25/2008 12:04 PM |
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| I have an acre fenced in back pasture that it didn't matter what I did, Wachter could jump over the fence. Refencing it right now is not an option, so we have him hooked up to a pull harness which is tied to a small tire (a little bigger than the spare donut in a standard economy car). He can now run all through the back pasture, but if he jumps the fence he gets caught and cant run free. He has access to a water hole, his bedding and a dog house. Mind you I mostly work from home so I only have to use this a couple times a week. The added good to this... pulling the tire, makes him tired!!! he runs off more energy in less time then comes inside and crashes. |
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gsp4322
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| 07/08/2008 10:45 AM |
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| I prefer an outside run, but I live in the country. Living in town I would probaby go with the crate. The only concern with the outside run I have is to make sure the dog comes inside for the evening for proper socialization. I t is easy to forget about our partners outside. |
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ccrgsp south carolina
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| 07/15/2008 9:15 AM |
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the wife and i both work 8-5....wyatt stays in hsi crate during the day....i'm lucky to have family that lives within walking distance and my lil bros and sis love to come up at play with him....zach is 13, so i give him $10 a week to make sure they come to the house and let him out at least once around noon....cameron and lauren are 7 and 4 so they don't have to get paid for this chore.... i live in the country with both neighbors across the street being retired, but with the way things have gone 'missing' around my shop lately, i'm not going to ever leave him outside during the week.....when he gets old enough to train on the e-fence, i'll let him roam while we're home.....i'd love to let him stay out while we're at work, but i'm already attached and couldn't imagine someone taking him kristen asked if we could let him sleep in the bed the first night since he was whining so much, but i resisted....we've only had him 4 nights and he is already whining much less and didn't at all last night when we put him to bed....he's been getting me up around 5 each morning, but i don't mind.....this gives us at least an hour to play before i have to leave for work |
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gspdognet Lake St. Louis, MO
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| 07/15/2008 8:26 PM |
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Hi Erin! Welcome, and post a pic of your baby for all of us to enjoy! We have 2 GSP's and both were crate trained immediately. Like the other postings above, we're gone from 8-5 and it took my lunch hour every day for about a year to get them past peeing in their crates. From what our breeder and most others have told me, they're puppies until almost 2 years of age so this is not unusual. I can testify though that ours were not affected physically (or mentally) by crate training. And it's soooo hard to let the babies whine at night, but it will subside and I agree with CCRGSP, I enjoy getting up at 5 to spend a little more time with them in the morning. Both of our boys were owner handled to their CH titles and 1 is working on his field title so keeping them in crates has not affected the bonding issue either. Of course now that they're both over 3, the bed at night is a must. lol I'd be hesitant leaving them outside all day because there are too many circumstances that can occur out of your control. Basically, having a sporting dog has meant that we gladly adjust our life-style to exercise them (also good for the love-handle's one can develop past the age of 40). Good luck and please do share on your progress! Kathy |
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