Ya know, if I were new to this board and read the replies to this guy's question, I'd run!
Ryan, you normally have good advice and input but i think you were wrong to attack Francine. You lose credability. It really did sound like an attack from someone who doesnt know either of you!
No one training method works on every dog. That is why asking qustions in this forum is so helpful. You get lots of advice from lots of different people. Something is bound to work!
By the way, if you think Francine was incorrect in her assumptions, I came to the same conclusions! That is why we ask questions to clarify.
Good luck with your training!