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Almost Heaven GSP
Springfield, WV
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| 12/31/2007 6:42 PM |
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Got an email concerning these 2 pups in, I believe, SC. They are listed as Setter/GWP crosses, but appear to possibly be Black GSP's or GWP's without the "hardware". Apparently this Rescue is shutting down due to a lack of funding.
If anyone might be interested, might know anyone interested or might be able to help in some way:
Comet
search.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi
and Astra
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Money will buy a fine dog, but only kindness will make him wag his tail.
Bruce Shaffer
Almost Heaven GSP's
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MOOSE1
Fruitport, MI
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| 12/31/2007 7:40 PM |
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| Thanks for posting these guys Bruce. Nice looking pups. Hard thing is they said they won't adopt to hunters. I just don't understand that. So many hunters would give these dogs great homes! |
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Rajah-APBT- USUV UMJCH Flying High Rajah-TDI Certified
Phoenix-GSP- USJCH UWP GRCH BNJ Shooters Rising Phoenix-CGC Tested
Cody- GSP- AKC/CKC CH UKC UWP GRCH Legacyk n Estate Sunray Minor FDJ CGC Tested
Tucson-UJJ CH Legacyk FlwrCrk The Old Peublo
Rumor-UMJ URO1 GRCH BNJ Rumor Has It-RN RD CGC NA II
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singltrak
Las Cruces, NM
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| 01/02/2008 1:00 PM |
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Bruce,
Why not forward this on to gsp-l ? Perhaps someone in NC or SC rescue can take this one on. I'm thinking that one reason they don't want to release these dogs to hunters is because of how they were raised originally. Often dogs such as these will hunt only for themselves....they don't make good hunting companions. Its sad, but its true. And, since its a private organization, they can set the bounds exactly where they want them and make their own rules. (remember Ellen deGeneres' dog fiasco?).
Phyllis
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wgspr rescue
Milwaukee, WI
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| 01/02/2008 1:27 PM |
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| I my opinion they are most certainly mixes, look at the ears, they are hound ears, not pointy like decent pointer breeding. A rescue or shelter CAN decide not to adopt to hunters if they run their "business" that way, espec down south where every Tom, Dick, and Harry claim to be hunters, but all their hunting dogs are out back chained to dog houses, or kennelled....so that is their choice. They want them to be family pets first and foremost. So if anyone happens to be interested, just do not mention hunting, and violla, you have a dog, THEN you can see if they have any hunt in them. My bet is they are hound mixes. If their vet work has not been done, you can pretty much bet they will have heartworm as well to treat. Seems most dogs I have pulled from the south are heartworm pos. See, here is the thing when you decide to start a reputable rescue; you must be committed for life, or set up a good board of directors for your back up. You can't just start a rescue willy nilly, then close the doors and have more animals to fend for themselves, or people who have to pick up the pcs. I knew my life was pretty much over when I dedicated it to WGSPR. With a life time return policy, someone responsible must be in line to grab those dogs if/when they are no longer wanted, or the cycle begins again. True shame..... |
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Lisa C. Rossman
WI GSP Rescue, Inc (wgspr.com)
"Until there are none, rescue just one!"
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Ace1cappuccino
Carp Lake, Michigan
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| 01/02/2008 4:29 PM |
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 Hi guys, this bothered me about NOT adopting to hunters. This was her reply when I emailed her. Kind of like judging all of us by a few. Too bad. I agree that they are mixed breeds too. The ears and they seem to have a long snout.
Hi there. I assume you are a hunter 
The reason I don't adopt to hunters is because all the hunting dogs I've rescued have been dogs that apparently didn't hunt well, so their owners dumped them. One dog was even shot and left for dead, then she was attacked by a wild boar before I found her and returned her to health and got her adopted out. In Clarendon County, and most of South Carolina, most (not all) hunters don't treat their dogs very well. I've seen hunters starve their dogs, thinking that the dogs will hunt better....no kidding, that's the mentality in these parts. They keep the dogs in small pens, with too many dogs in the pens. Also, most hunters don't treat their dogs as family members, which is what I want for our rescued dogs.
Also, not a day goes by that I don't see a dead hunting dog alongside the highway or on the country roads, and they don't even have ID tags on. Two days ago, I was driving down Highway 301 (a country road) and counted six dead hunting dogs in a span of four miles. The hunters around here don't love their dogs and they don't care about their safety.
Not saying you are like that, but I've seen too many hunters not treat their dogs good.
Annie
Maybe there is a non hunter lurking about somewhere.
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Cornell's GSP'S- Mocha cappuccino, Lili Belle Lotte, Sir Leopold Vom Hunter 1, Lil Miss Lotte Doddi, Ace Hunter Twisted Mister(GSP'S)  
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Ace1cappuccino
Carp Lake, Michigan
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| 01/02/2008 4:30 PM |
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| BTW - what is GSP-1? |
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Cornell's GSP'S- Mocha cappuccino, Lili Belle Lotte, Sir Leopold Vom Hunter 1, Lil Miss Lotte Doddi, Ace Hunter Twisted Mister(GSP'S)
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Almost Heaven GSP
Springfield, WV
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| 01/02/2008 5:07 PM |
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OKKKKKKKKKK, So here is my question playing the "DEVILS ADVOCATE".
HOW MANY DOGS ARE PUT IN POUNDS, SHELTERS OR RESCUES BY NON-HUNTERS BY COMPARISON?????
HMMMMMMM? 1 in 10 people are Hunters, meaning 9 of 10 are Non-Hunters...... Not very good odds of favoring Hunters as being worse. Sorry, but I ain't buying that argument.
And for the record, I have a pretty good amount of involvement with everything from Bunny Hunters with Beagles, to Coon/Bear Hunters with their vast array of Hounds to Bird Hunters with Pointing, Flushing and Retrieving Breeds.
A Non-Hunter can be every bit as cruel and indifferent as any "suggested" Hunter. Just look at Vick! |
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Money will buy a fine dog, but only kindness will make him wag his tail.
Bruce Shaffer
Almost Heaven GSP's
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Pointer Fan
Westminster, Colorado
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| 01/02/2008 6:04 PM |
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| 6 dead dogs in 4 miles---I'm glad I'm not around there. Around here you used to see a dead dog on the highway now and then and dogs riding loose in the back of pickups. I'll bet I have not seen a dog in an open bed pickup in the last five years. I'll have to check and see if we have a law against it. The tails on those dogs do not look like they have any setter blood in them. Most of the hunters I know from back in Iowa take better care of their dogs than some people do with their kids. |
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Deb Orpen
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| 01/02/2008 7:51 PM |
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Annie,
Eyeballing situations, hearsay, and statistics can tell you whatever depending on your geographic location, circumstances, openness to the facts, etc. In PA, the VAST majority of owner surrenders are pet owners per the information they provide or evaluations. Over the years, we've had so few known hunting GSPs that were surrendered to rescue or shelters/pound intakes that the percentage is negligible. We actually get in so many more GSPs that were simply prey driven that they didn't fit in the lifestyle of pet owners that only wanted a beautiful, sedate dog.
I realize that in certain parts of the US this is different but I think it is fair to provide Pennsylvania's experience over the years.
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gsp-fan
AZ
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| 01/03/2008 9:26 AM |
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| Lisa you are correct when you say hound mix my guess is bluetick. I can understand the shelters stand, hounds owned by hunters can be very cruel to the breed. Over the last 30 years I have taken in hounds that were owned by hunters that would break your heart. Our last trip out to Missouri they have a swap meet where you go and trade your hounds and the conditions are bad (one guy actually had 50 dogs all in little crates that when they would make noise would beat the crates with a bat). If I already didn't have 4 dogs I would have taken another with me. If you have ever read the hound forums the attidude by some posters is that the dog is tool only and if it does not hunt it is put down - which is very sad to me. I am not saying all hunters are this way but in the hound world it seems to be this way. |
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Diamond
Southwestern Ontario
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| 01/03/2008 1:16 PM |
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Hey I can relate to the frustration of being judge by a stereotype...When I was looking for a gsp (before I found Winston) almost every shelter judged me wrongly because I lived in the country on a farm. Somehow that meant that I beat my dogs and left them in the barn and threw food to them when I felt like it. Another place would not consider adopting to me because I didn't have a fenced property...I tried to explain but she wanted my to make a fenced in area to keep the dog in!? That didn't sound humane to me. I know that they all probably mean well and I am sure they start to get a little over protective when they see such awful situations all the time but it's not fair to the dogs when they are missing out on wonderful country life because of false assumptions. These kind of people need to take a break and come visit people like us guys that have healthy and insanly happy working companions!  |
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Ace1cappuccino
Carp Lake, Michigan
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| 01/08/2008 11:03 AM |
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I had sent an email to the lady with those dogs. That was her reply to me. I hate that ppl judge some by the way others are. I have so many ppl say I am nuts because those GSPs are a terrible breed. Don't listen, hyper etc.. I tell them that they are not for everyone and mine are fine. If you utilize their energy with work or play then they are great animals. These are not dogs for someone to just sit inside all day with, not for being on a chain, or stuck in a pen all the time. They need love and attention, and most of all exercise.
I used to work with a guy that raised bear dogs, nott sure of the name of the breed, but he had a litter of them and when he couldn't sell them he killed them all. I called him some really nasty names and told him he was so ignorant!! Couldn't even take them to a shelter. |
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Cornell's GSP'S- Mocha cappuccino, Lili Belle Lotte, Sir Leopold Vom Hunter 1, Lil Miss Lotte Doddi, Ace Hunter Twisted Mister(GSP'S)
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MillerClemsonHD
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| 01/08/2008 2:57 PM |
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These are most likely a mixed breed trial someone has done to be deer dogs and did not work out. They could have also run off and were not just left. There are also many dogs killed on the highway/county roads when they are running deer and cross the roads. Some of them probably treat their dogs as well as anyone here would, but there are those who don't. |
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