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pixie bee
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| 04/22/2010 11:20 AM |
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Do you gets points for placing other then 1st?
If you do, can these points add up to make a FC?
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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Texas Belle
Austin, TX
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| 04/22/2010 11:31 AM |
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Pixie - Here are the sections out of the AKC FT Rule Book for Pointing Breeds (www.akc.org/pdfs/rulebooks/RFTPNT.pdf  dealing with points.
At present a dog of one of the Pointing Breeds will
be recorded a Field Champion after having won 10
points under the point rating schedule below in regular
stakes in at least three licensed or member field
trials, provided that 3 points have been won in one 3
point or better Open All-Age, Open Gun Dog, Open
Limited All-Age, or Open Limited Gun Dog Stake,
that no more than 2 points each have been won by
placing first in Open or Amateur Walking Puppy
and Open or Amateur Walking Derby Stakes, and
that no more than 4 of the 10 points have been won
by placing first in Amateur Stakes;
EXCEPT THAT a German Shorthaired Pointer,
German Wirehaired Pointer, Vizsla, or Weimaraner,
shall not be recorded a Field Champion unless it has
won at least 4 points in Retrieving Stakes at licensed or
member club field trials;
The number of points shall be based on the actual
number of eligible starters in each stake according to
the following schedule:
1st place 2nd place
4 to 7 starters....................1 point
8 to 12 starters .................2 points
13 to 17 starters ...............3 points
18 to 24 starters ...............4 points
25 or more starters ..........5 points 2 points
Only points won by placing first in junior stakes
(Puppy/Derby) are credited toward a Field
Championship title.
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pixie bee
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| 04/22/2010 12:13 PM |
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Thanks.
Francine |
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pixie bee
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| 04/22/2010 12:25 PM |
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I think it's the same?
You can be a FC with a walking or horseback trial?
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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Texas Belle
Austin, TX
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| 04/22/2010 12:35 PM |
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| Yes |
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Ken Lynch
Hudson Valley in NY
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| 04/22/2010 7:59 PM |
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| Just in case Texas Belle's answer leaves a question, it does not make any difference whether the points are won in walking stakes or horseback stakes. Once 10 points are garnered and all the other requirements are met you become a field champion. |
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pixie bee
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| 04/23/2010 5:39 AM |
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I keep toying with the idea of doing FTs, but I have this idea in my head that horseback is more respectable then walking and I'm not going to make an the investment in horseback with time,traveling and money.
I am looking into some walking trials for now.
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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Texas Belle
Austin, TX
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| 04/23/2010 7:22 AM |
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| I have only done Walking Trials, but the folks in my neck of the woods who compete in FT often do both. Check too, because sometimes there are horses that you can rent for the day at the horseback FT. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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Ken Lynch
Hudson Valley in NY
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| 04/23/2010 7:55 AM |
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| I would encourage you to try a Walking Field Trial. In fact there is one near you ( I think ) Memorial Day weekend. Look into Oak Ridge Pointing Dog Club field trial. I choose to do walking field trials because I can still walk. I had a back operation several years ago and now choose not to ride horses because of desire not to chance re-injuring my back. The one drawback to a walking field trial and not being able to ride a horse is the fact that it is very difficult to watch other entrants in the stake so that you get a feeling for where your dog stands with respect to the competition. |
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pixie bee
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| 04/23/2010 10:59 AM |
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Thanks for keeping an eye out Ken.
This dog club is quite far from me.
I will look for NY and NJ and maybe CT.
HTs are more frequent and close,I think.
Is there a difference between a HT and a walking FT?
The rules seem the same.
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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Texas Belle
Austin, TX
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| 04/23/2010 11:07 AM |
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The big difference is in the HT the dog is judged against a standard whereas in the FT the dogs compete against each other for the best dog that day.
Ken - I do walking trials for the same reason, my back. Haven't had surgery and would like to try to prevent having surgery. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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zodiakgsps
NW PA
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| 04/23/2010 11:46 AM |
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Also in a walking FT your dog needs to be much more forward than required in a HT. If your dog yo-yos a lot or works close, you may not be competetive. I love to ride & like you can see your dog easier from a horse so prefer HB trials but do a lot of walking ones as well.
I will be running 3, maybe 4 dogs at Oakridge, each in 2 stakes, so will be one tired camper!!!!!
Ken, be nice to see you again, who all you running at Oakridge?? Steak dinner Saturday I believe!!!!!!!!! |
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pixie bee
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| 04/23/2010 12:24 PM |
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Ok, what's considerd competitive?
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zodiakgsps
NW PA
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| 04/23/2010 3:50 PM |
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Thats a tough one to answer/describe & can be subjective, can depend on the judges for one, some like more run than others, even in gun dog. Also depends on the grounds (lines, lots of objectives,tight course, wide open, etc)
A good FT dog does not yoyo, but shows to the front. IMO-this is a good example of subjective- a good gun dog will come off a line to check likely objectives (some like this & some do not, I dont want my dog passing good cover just for the sake of carrying a line)
One course may be smaller, tight & mostly lines -not a lot of objectives, a big going dog here would look very big if it carries lines well to the front. Another course may be larger, more open & sparse with objectives, the same dog may look shorter here.
They should go at a good busy pace & not potter, headchase (look behind them for bracemate a lot, they are not hunting as much as racing) and show good independance to search likely cover. They should handle kindly w/o hacking, as for how far, I am bad with distances, I'd say at least 200 yds or better for the most part, again, depending on terrain/cover. A snappy flashy moving dog will do better than one that tends to lumber along. A dog with good stylish, staunch points & not one who flags, has happy feet, or just "stands" it's birds.(in broke stakes, puppy/derbies can break), good manners. Backing is not required, but your dog must back should the situation arise, stealing point is a no-no-again, just broke stakes.
I have a male who was never very competetive for FT's, he ranges about 100 yds or so, my almost finished FC boy will easily make 250-300+ yd moves again depending on what the grounds are like. My puppy will make even bigger moves, but still tends to come back a bit rather than just "show" to the front & move on, he moves bigger on open grounds than ones with a lot of cover.
Your best bet is to attend a few, watch different stakes to see what is doing well & get a feel for it. I hope I didnt make it confusing, but as I said, it is king of hard to put in writing(for me, not good with writing) what it takes to be competetive. |
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bruns333
Central Ohio
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| 04/23/2010 3:51 PM |
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| Your dog won't win or place if it quarters 20 yards in front of you for very long. You can have a MH or VC that wouldn't do well in a trial if it works too close. I am a rookie, but I was surprised by how much run and ground the derby dogs covered. You should give it a try and then you can decide what you think about it. |
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Ken Lynch
Hudson Valley in NY
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| 04/24/2010 9:17 AM |
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Pixie Bee,
Most of the clubs that run walking field trials in the area you indicated have already had their walking field trial. The one exception I can think of is the Connecticut Valley Vizsla Club walking field trial at Flaherty Field Trial Area, Dearborn Tract, East Windsor, CT to be held nest Dec 4 & 5. I know there will be a few others. Walking trials in that area are few and far between. |
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pixie bee
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| 04/25/2010 8:13 AM |
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This doesn't give me many options. Darn.
I wanted to do NSTRA a while ago but it's not in my area either.
I could wait until next year and just fiddle with it, not going for a title.
My dog seems to fit the description. He hasn't been groomed for FTs, but it's still fun and worth trying out.
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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Ken Lynch
Hudson Valley in NY
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| 04/25/2010 9:07 AM |
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| I would encourage you to try and make either of the walking field trials held near Polk, PA in May. The people in both clubs are very friendly and helpful. It would enable you to find out if this is a game you would truly enjoy playing with your dogs. If not at least the question is definitively answered and you would have the summer to go a different direction. |
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zodiakgsps
NW PA
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| 04/25/2010 5:07 PM |
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| If, by chance, you venture down, I'd be glad to show you around. You can camp there, hook=ups for campers or pitch a tent. Couple hotels close by also. It might be a haul, but you will have fun! Breakfast, lunch & a nice dinner available there. |
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Texas Belle
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| 04/25/2010 7:07 PM |
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| I'm just curious about what you guys in the NE think is a haul? Here it is not unusual to drive 4 to 6 hours to get to a FT or HT. I am lucky in that I have one the occurs about an hour and a half down the road, the next closest is two hours away and then everything else is 4 or more. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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