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08/30/2009 9:57 PM  

Stick has now hit 8 months old.  He's still growing one piece, one part at a time and I suspect that he'll balance out and not be quite so leggy as an adult.

With  his dam's side of the equation I've always thought one of her's might be "the one" to try and make a dual dog out of.

Several of ya'll really liked him as a puppy, how bout a little critique.

Here he is at 4 months.

Stick at 4 mo

This we took this weekend at 8 months.

Stick at 8 months

 


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08/31/2009 9:02 AM  
Frankly, there's a lot worse looking dogs out right now.
He's stretched out a bit far in the rear...try it with the hocks perpendicular to the ground. (his eyes look a little light but could just be the way the light is hitting them). It isn't going to kill him in the ring but a dark eye is of course preferred.
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Start out taking him to some fun or B Matches for practice, then some small shows. My all breed club is having a B Match September 20 down in Mesquite south of Las Cruces. All are welcome to come...let me know if you need more information, Charlie..:)

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08/31/2009 5:12 PM  

thats one fine looking pup

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08/31/2009 5:56 PM  
Posted By singltrak on 08/31/2009 9:02 AM
Frankly, there's a lot worse looking dogs out right now.
He's stretched out a bit far in the rear...try it with the hocks perpendicular to the ground. (his eyes look a little light but could just be the way the light is hitting them). It isn't going to kill him in the ring but a dark eye is of course preferred.
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Start out taking him to some fun or B Matches for practice, then some small shows. My all breed club is having a B Match September 20 down in Mesquite south of Las Cruces. All are welcome to come...let me know if you need more information, Charlie..<img src="Thanks.  I knew he was stretched out a bit too far, but it was getting late and we were running out of daylight.  Both parents have good dark eyes and I suspect his will get to be a deep amber by the time he's an adult.  We're planning to try and get him to a couple of small shows in the area, get as many experienced show people as we can to look him over, then we'll make some decisions.

Hopefully I'll get lucky and find a serious show person that would be interested in co-owning him so they can do the show half while I do the field half.

He definitely shows great potential in the field, but I haven't been to a dog show in over twenty years so I really don't know what they are looking for today.

He's out of Bullettand Diva and you can see from his pedigree that he's got "it" from both field and show side's.

I've honestly contemplated trying to show Duke as well if I could find the right judges who will use a white dog, but I know that's difficult to say the least.

Duke Finishes his FC in just five trials.

I'll see if we can get some pictures with him better stacked. (Stick that is)


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08/31/2009 5:59 PM  
Posted By D MONTANO on 08/31/2009 5:12 PM

thats one fine looking pup

Thanks, he's a lot of fun too.  He is however making life a bit more complicated for us opening up new venues and possibilities.


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08/31/2009 8:06 PM  
Charlie - I still think he is a nice looking dog. As Phyllis said you have him stretched out too much in the rear. I wouldn't worry about the eyes yet as he is only 8 months. They will probably darken as he ages. Both of my kids, Halo and Ringo, had light eyes when they were younger and both have gotten darker with age. I think you could definitely finish him, especially right now as there are not very many nice males out there (with the exception of my boy Ringo of course ; ) ). I like Duke too, but as you say you would have to find the judges that will put up a "white" dog.

The shows in Belton, TX and Travis are coming up in October. Belton is usually small and Travis varies, but this year will probably also be smaller for shorthairs since Renee Lara is not going to be there with her dogs. Also, if you are going to any of the hunt tests in Cibolo I will probably be there and we could play with stacking him and moving him to see how he does. Let me know.

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08/31/2009 9:50 PM  
Posted By Texas Belle on 08/31/2009 8:06 PM
Charlie - I still think he is a nice looking dog. As Phyllis said you have him stretched out too much in the rear. I wouldn't worry about the eyes yet as he is only 8 months. They will probably darken as he ages. Both of my kids, Halo and Ringo, had light eyes when they were younger and both have gotten darker with age. I think you could definitely finish him, especially right now as there are not very many nice males out there (with the exception of my boy Ringo of course ; ) ). I like Duke too, but as you say you would have to find the judges that will put up a "white" dog.

The shows in Belton, TX and Travis are coming up in October. Belton is usually small and Travis varies, but this year will probably also be smaller for shorthairs since Renee Lara is not going to be there with her dogs. Also, if you are going to any of the hunt tests in Cibolo I will probably be there and we could play with stacking him and moving him to see how he does. Let me know.


 

Thanks.  October is going to be real busy for us.  Not only have I got to get the gang some runs in before nationals, I'm judging our HT up in Amaraillo the 18th/19th.

Right now I'm aiming to see if I can maybe go to CO for the GSP club trial and maybe one just before or after.

I got him squared up a little better tonight.  He's a REAL energetic wiggle worm and so it's going to take some doing to get him to really stacking well.

Stacking Stick

Both parents are very dark eyed so I have no doubt that over time his eyes will darken up.  Duke's are so dark they are almost spooky.  both have perfect scissors bites and as far as I can tell no real flaws in their physical structure, but then, I'm no show judge.

Duke is so trainable and likes showing off if I thought I could get him in front of the right judges I'd do it just for fun.


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09/01/2009 7:28 AM  
Why is white an issue?

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09/01/2009 8:27 AM  
I am no show expert but I think his dark liver spot may cause an issue just for judges who base things on the visual is it gives him a dipped look to his back. But I understand that this is probably not the case and just the luck of the draw with where his spot is. A good judge that goes on what they feel will know that he doesn't dip there though.

White is just hard to finish in AKC. Judges tend to lean more toward the ticked dogs. And even more so toward ticking and just a liver head and liver tail. Just from what I have seen anyway.

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09/01/2009 10:45 AM  
Charlie -

So your boy has really long legs and needs to grow into them. He actually reminds me of my boy, Ringo, who is also a long legged devil. For that reason I have held Ringo out of the AKC show ring. I am letting him grow up and fill out a bit as I think he will be better able to compete when he is a bit older. What I have done is I have shown him on a very limited basis in UKC shows and AKC matches. I have also spent allot of time working with him on stacking and gating. I took him regularly to a conformation class when he was about the same age as your boy is right now. The more you can handle him and get him to stand still when someone goes over him the better. Allot of that you can do now. I would work first on getting him to let you position his front feet and then stand still. Use the whoa if he knows it for the stand still part. Then go over him, look at his bite, run your hands over him and be sure and check out his tail and boy parts because the judges will do that in the ring. Once he is good with just the front start setting his back legs. The hocks should be perpendicular to the ground. If you have a mirror work in front of it as it will help you get him stacked right. If at any time he moves, just put him back into position. Work with no distractions at first. Don't leave him stacked for more than a few seconds at first and reward him when he does it right.

Ringo was a wiggler too and I finally had to hold him with my right hand by grabbing part of the side of his face on the handler side and his ear. When he wiggled I squeezed a little and he would stand still. I still have to do that once in a while to remind him he is supposed to stand still.

Let me know if you are going to be anywhere in the central Texas area in the next few months and maybe we can meet up and I can work with him a little. I think he is a pretty boy and will do well in the show ring. You definitely should give it a whirl.

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09/01/2009 10:53 AM  

One other thing that Moose mentioned is the spot. If the spot were smaller I would be more concerned as sometimes when a small spot dips down on the show side it makes the dog look sway backed. I don't think it will be a problem with this boy though as his spot is big. In your last picture if you got him up on his front legs and moved his back legs out about one inch you would have a good stack with him. He also would not look quite so leggy then either. I would put a chain collar on him also to work the stack as it will help you hold him a bit. Loop the chain on the thumb of your right hand and hold his check and ear when you stack him. If he wiggles tighten you hand and the chain and tell him no. Don't let him get the better of you. Then focus on the things I mentioned in the previous post. Good luck!

Just for comparison, this is Ringo at the same age. That was a friend stacking him for me so I could get a good look at him.  Notice his long legs and he has side spots too. Also, note that the position of the right hand on the handler.  She has his cheek and ear in her hand and his chain collar looped over her thumb.  Also not how she holds the tail.  He was fighting us when we were working the stacking which is why his ears are laid back, but we were able to get him to stand still.


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09/01/2009 1:32 PM  
White can be an issue, but no more so than lopsided blazes, etc. My Ziggy is dark liver roan, patched and ticked (www.singltrakshorthairs.net/ziggy.htm), his brother Skipper is white factored, very similar in type to his great great grandpa, Am/Can Ch NMK's Placer County Snowbird, HOF. Skipper pix is on the same page with Zigs, down at the bottom. It took Skipper 9 months longer to finish than Ziggy, mostly because of a newbie owner and handler. A dog that is well put together and can move is a good dog, period. I can give you more info on judges that will look at white if you'd like.

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10/05/2009 8:52 AM  
Charlie,

Put Stick up on a stylin beam, barrel or small table to practice stacking him, he'll be less inclined to happy foot it around and more willing to stand. Also, when you have him up like that, have friends/customers/strangers come up to him and give him an "inspection" starting with the teeth, head and working back to get him used to a stranger going over him like that. Just some suggestions that may be a help to you.

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10/05/2009 10:23 AM  
Bruce is absolutely right. Also be sure when they go over him that they handle is jewels as that sometimes surprises the little boys. The more people handling him and going over him the better. Also if you get a chance take him to really noisy distracting places with lots of people. Show sites can sometimes be overwhelming for dogs. I start mine out going to Little League baseball games. They get lots of handling, noise and excitement. Plus it is fun.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

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