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12/15/2008 8:54 PM  

I agree with Phyllis, but I keep a Excel spreadsheet.  I have actually started seeing patterns too.  Also, if you know folks (like Phyllis) who have been showing a while ask them about a judge.   Sometimes they know them and can give you input.


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01/15/2009 7:47 PM  

 

I haven't posted very much on here in the last few months & actually haven't really even been on here to read what is being said because I've been very busy but after reading a recent post decided I had to respond in my own post. In a post from Moose1 (Will this be an issue) I noticed her talking about a recent show that was held with UKC in Dec that she attended. The other dog she competed against is my new puppy "Legend". Before I tell my version of the events I will say the entire portion of the show with the GSPs in it was taped on video, even the parts where her dog was being gone over. For the non-licensed puppy match there was only our 2 dogs (my male & her female). Because they are of different sexes they are 1st judged seperately & then with each winning best male & best female they had to go in together to compete against each other for breed. When the puppies were judged alone the judge was very kind & thoughtful to the fact that they were puppies & didn't want to scare them or stress them out so had went over their teeth before we actually stacked our dogs & once she was done with that gave each one of us a more then fair opportunity to stack the puppies for the rest of their exams. This was 1st done individually & then when they went in the ring together she went over them again except for their teeth. Each dog was completely gone over, had to do their own down & back & then go around the ring in it's own class & again when we went in together. To be fair she also had us go around twice when we were together, 1st with 1 puppy in front & then with the other so she could get a good look at each 1 following & leading. Yes, my little boy did pee in the ring but on his down & back, not to interfere with the other dog in any way. Someone held him while I cleaned up the mess & then I took him back & redid my down & back. Afterwards I took him back to his spot & stacked him next to the female so the judge could stand back & look at both of them & make her choice as to who the breed winner would be. When she made her choice she did NOT say what Beth had written but did say, "Even with all that trouble I still have to give best puppy to the male because I can't find anything wrong with him." As I stated I do have the entire thing video taped so was able to go back & reference everything before writing this. Below is a picture of my Legend from that weekend with a different judge that also liked him well enough to not only give him best puppy in breed but best puppy in show as well. In UKC there are no group winners in the NL puppy matches so ALL puppies who have competed in every breed & won breed compete against each other for best in show. Legend was up against several other puppies when he took the best puppy in show under another judge. This was also his 1st time ever in any kind of ring setting. He had not even gone to any classes of any kind. That weekend we took 5 best puppy in breed & 1 best puppy in show under 6 different judges. I'm sorry that Beth feels that her little girl was not judged fairly but she was judge exactly the same as my little boy was & I don't feel that the judge did anything wrong. I would still feel the same if I had won or lost as the judge was very kind & considerate to the fact that these were only puppies & didn't want to make them have to act perfect at such a young age. 


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01/15/2009 9:04 PM  
never once said there was anything wrong with your dog. And I would like to see that video. In fact feel free to post it on here I don't care.

I just wish you would be upstanding enough to compliment my dog as I did yours in my post. I never once said anything bad about your dog. He is beautiful. I just personaly did not like how the judge judged. And I have pictures showing that I was still working on stacking my dog when she started to go over her. I have never had a judge do this.

I don't feel a public forum is a place to air dirty laundry. Thus the reason I felt no need to mention you, your dog or anyones name in that post. I just posted my point of view and in fact I did say that your dog was diserving of the win. So if you have a problem with me why don't you tell me to my face. Grow up a little.

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01/16/2009 10:15 AM  
As you were not "upstanding" when posting your complaints in the 1st place, I felt I needed to respond. You very much made it sound like my dog won on a pitty win instead of for the real reasons of being an outstanding boy. You didn't have to post any names for people to know who you were talking about because another reader brought this to my attention is how I knew about it in the 1st place. Several people who were at the show or who know me or who have been to my website know I was the 1 who was competing in that show with you & your girl. Not once did I make any reference to your puppy not being a nice puppy. You shouldn't always feel like you need to be so defensive, even when people are simply responding to your original post.

Rebecca
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01/16/2009 12:14 PM  
I am going to be done with this topic after this post. I did nothing wrong in my post about the show. I didn't say anything about the win being a pitty win. I voiced very clearly how nice of a dog I thought your dog was. My post was about my view on how the judge did. Not how your dog did or my dog did.

I did get comments from people PRIVATLY who were very respectful of me and mentioned I probably shouldn't have left my girl stacked that entire time you were cleaning and they explained why. So I appreciate advice like this. And I will admit to not thinking about that at the time.

I have never been anything but upstanding to those who have showed me respect. One can respect someone even if they don't agree with them and have great relationships with them. I love all the diverse opinions and insight on this forum.

I never ment to hurt your feelings if I did. I apologize if I did that. All I was doing was talking about my experience. I would appreciate the courtesty from anyone who has an issue with something I say to come and talk to me privatly about it. As many of you can attest to if I have something to ask you about a post I will email or PM you. I don't feel anyone should ever be felt belittled becaue of a post. I do my best to live by that myself. If I had thought that my post was going to hurt someone's feelings I wouldn't have posted it.

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02/18/2009 6:07 PM  

go for the best in show!!  take a good time.

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