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Bowen
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| 10/15/2012 9:35 PM |
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Many people say German Shorthairs cannot compete with other waterfowl dogs and are not meant to be duck dogs. Are they right?
I have a 13 month old GSP. She is not my first dog but she is my first GSP and will hopefully be my first four legged hunting companion. I do not know about other owners but for me there were several things that appealed to me about getting a German Shorthaired Pointer. One being there sleek and athletic appearance in addition to their energetic personality. However, the most endearing attribute for me is their versatility as a hunting dog and companion.
I like to do several types of hunting but where I live here in GA unless I happen to become friends with a wealthy land barren, waterfowl is the hunting she and I will be doing the most. That being said I have read and have personally experienced frequent ridicule for selecting a GSP to be a duck dog. I know that they are not the most popular "duck dog" according to many however they are the most popular dog for me but I am starting to lose faith in her becoming a duck dog.
Sydney has been fast to learn and eager to please. She is very energetic and shows a strong desire to chase or track anything that would be consider wild game. That being said I have a couple of large problems that I can see with my pup. One she is gun shy and being that she is my first hunting dog I am not sure of how to break her of it.
As she has gotten older she has lost desire to retrieve...frizby, ball, rope, canvas dummy or training dummy it doesn't matter. If she shows any interest at all she prances to the object (does not run) and when it stops she moves on to something that she finds more interesting whether it be a flower or whatever catches her eye.
Finally the final draw back for my dream duck dog is that she is nervous in the water. She loves to play at the river and in the shallow water. I have been taking her since she first came home but if she has to swim she will usually not go into the water.
I know much of it is my fault and lack of knowledge on my part. However, I do not want her to suffer or not rise to her full potential because of my ignorance. I need help and fact of the matter is it is not something that I can just throw money at to solve my problem. I know that it takes time and patience...those things I do have I just need help with the steps and some encouragement that I am not alone.
I tried taking her for an hour session with a professional retriever trainer. He offered some helpful advice. Try live birds and feathers, get her excited about retrieving and start her in shallow water and slowly transition to deep water retrievals. Also start with a smaller caliber gun at a distance and work closer to her while giving her positive reinforcement. These things make sense to me but even that being said he felt the time and energy I would spend in this endeavor that I may come out better or with a better finished product if I were to start over from scratch.
The trainer of course tried to encourage me towards a labrador retriever instead but I don't want a labrador and my stubborn nature just feels more compelled to work harder with my GSP. He basically did not see them as equals when compared to a labrador; whether it be in competition or actual hunting and retrieving. I know different breads may be more suited for different types of hunting and I also know that within a bread of dog you still have different personalities the same as people. Is my dog just not of the right personality, am I asking her to do something that she is not well suited for or have I just neglected her training? What can I do to turn this around?
All comments and feedback is welcome.
Thank you,
Paul
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DuckFever Central Oregon
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| 10/15/2012 11:15 PM |
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| No idea why she's not taking to waterfowl hunting but I know that GSPs for the most part ARE good versatile dogs (including waterfowl). My 7 month old pup regularly makes swimming retrieves on ducks in chilly water. I guess it just depends on prey drive. How is your dog's prey drive? |
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pixie bee
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| 10/16/2012 6:01 AM |
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First off, there is a reason labs are the go-to breed for waterfowl. That being said, if a GSP is going to be a quality duck dog much depends on genetics and training. I have no idea how she was trained - I only know what you have posted on this thread. If she is gun shy -why? Is she timid? did you screw up? Both? The GSP originated from the DK in Germany. Field trials were the go-to sport for for EPs and GSPs. In order for the DK to fair better at FTs some were bred,behind the barn, to EPs. This is good knowlegde for anyone seeking to use a GSP as a duck dog. Depending of course, how the genes were divied up at conception - some folks will get the short end. so, you knda do and kinda don't have a duck dog. If you want a duck dog - train it as tho it's a retreiver breed. Check into LArdy,Hillman,Graham,etc. I am in the same boat as the trainer you went to. There seems to be many issues. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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kpwlee Raleigh, NC
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| 10/16/2012 11:53 AM |
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I am a novice too (although my dog has forced me to become fairly knowledgeable and skilled LOL) If I were in your shoes I would step back on the training with her, make her life fun again, and build your bond. It sounds to me as though she has gotten MORE timid, BECAME gun shy, and loves water but fears being MADE to swim. She's very young still - I would do lots of fun things with her WITH NO performance expectations until March or so. Then start as if she has had no exposure and no prior training. She may need a fairly soft training approach but once she trusts you and life is fun again she may perform exceptionally well. I know the standard (old school) way of training gun dogs is hard core stuff and is rough on the dog. Some dogs are OK with that but others are going to shut down under pressure. She sounds like the latter. So for now I would take her to fields and let her rediscover her nose and drive. Take her to water and let HER decide how to enjoy it. Have her watch ducks and/or other dogs doing retrieves May be that will light her fire again If I make my guy watch stuff he goes ballistic LOL I am sorry that she isn't performing as you like and for both your sakes I hope she does. If she doesn't I hope you love her anyway |
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Max2 Oneonta NY
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| 10/17/2012 4:31 AM |
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Posted By pixie bee on 10/16/2012 6:01 AM
First off, there is a reason labs are the go-to breed for waterfowl.
I have no idea how she was trained - I only know what you have posted on this thread.
If she is gun shy -why?
Is she timid? did you screw up? Both?
Or possibly considerate neighbors who are pounding rounds around your kenneled dog ? (sometimes the dog has to stay home )
On the bright side I am pacel to GSP's though I know nothing about duck hunting I still wouldn't throw in the towel on a GSP !
Good luck with everything !
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pixie bee
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| 10/17/2012 5:23 AM |
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Everything a dog is, regardless of breed, is determined by genetics, temperment and environment. IMO, every dog is worth working with, IMO, this dog has issues that the owner may not know how to overcome. Internet advice is not going to get this dog to be the duck dog the OP envisions. A history of the dog's training would be helpful. With the info given, the dog is not retrieving on land - this can be fixed with a gentle force fetch method.The dog also may need to go thru a debolting method. I would forget water until the summer kicks in. Work on land, no birds - no problem, get the dog out there searching,encourage independence,boldness and working out of sight of the handler. After FF is complete, work on retriever skills such as pattern blinds,3 and 9 bumper piles, do force to pile and mini T. There is a lot that can be done to improve the dog's confidence. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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flygirl Muncy, PA
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| 10/17/2012 7:13 AM |
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Paul, dont give up on her. She is still young. Our dog Benelli was noise shy at the same age and we took her to trainer that worked with her and got her so excited about the birds. She is a hunting fool. She still doesn't like loud noises but if she has the scent of a bird, noise doesn't matter. Get her excited on the birds. Make it fun. Find someone in your area that does noise shy training and have them work with her. |
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pixie bee
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| 10/17/2012 9:16 AM |
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Bowen, post your questions on this board http://www.versatiledogs.com/forum/index.php there are a lot of experienced hunters and trainers here |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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