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11/28/2012 5:49 PM  
I recommend to puppy buyers to wait until after the first heat cycle. This allows for maturity and the growth plates to close. If done prior to growth plates closing they get leggy and are more prone to soft tissue injuries. She has attitude. You will have lot's of fun with her.

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11/29/2012 1:12 PM  
We took her for her first vet visit, and she told us she recommends spaying just before the first heat cycle. She said she does that to cut down on the risk of mammary cancer. Thoughts?
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11/29/2012 1:38 PM  
One of the vets our clinic tried to guilt me into spaying and not waiting. She isn't even our regular vet and then told me she has Weims and spayed them all at 6 months with no issues. Research out there really seems to be split completely 50/50, we opted to weigh heavily on the opinion of people with these dogs and particularly several breeders who recommended to wait (some even said they write into their puppy contracts). To be honest, I was fine doing either (because I have always had dogs that were "fixed" at 6 months with no issues), but my husband was the one who was really firm about waiting. We ultimately decided if by 13 months she hated reach maturity we would go ahead and spay. She hit maturity at 11 months.

There is no way to know when "right before" the first heat will be. Bella's breeder said her mother didn't hit maturity until 18 months. We anticipated Bella to around 6-8 months as that is what we had always been told by vets...and she had her first cycle at 11 months. We were also told first cycles would be very light and not bothersome at all. Not true in our case. It wasn't the end of the world, but it wasn't the most pleasurable time either lol.

I believe vets push spaying and neutering early mainly to eliminate unwanted litters.
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11/29/2012 7:08 PM  
She really poses well for her pics!
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11/30/2012 8:53 AM  


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11/30/2012 8:54 AM  
Posted By smatulewicz on 11/29/2012 1:38 PM
One of the vets our clinic tried to guilt me into spaying and not waiting. She isn't even our regular vet and then told me she has Weims and spayed them all at 6 months with no issues. Research out there really seems to be split completely 50/50, we opted to weigh heavily on the opinion of people with these dogs and particularly several breeders who recommended to wait (some even said they write into their puppy contracts). To be honest, I was fine doing either (because I have always had dogs that were "fixed" at 6 months with no issues), but my husband was the one who was really firm about waiting. We ultimately decided if by 13 months she hated reach maturity we would go ahead and spay. She hit maturity at 11 months.

There is no way to know when "right before" the first heat will be. Bella's breeder said her mother didn't hit maturity until 18 months. We anticipated Bella to around 6-8 months as that is what we had always been told by vets...and she had her first cycle at 11 months. We were also told first cycles would be very light and not bothersome at all. Not true in our case. It wasn't the end of the world, but it wasn't the most pleasurable time either lol.

I believe vets push spaying and neutering early mainly to eliminate unwanted litters.


So you aren't concerned with mammary cancer, then?

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11/30/2012 10:15 AM  
Posted By GSPCRNA on 11/30/2012 8:53 AM


 


Now THAT'S what i mean by weerubbertummy  Congrats, she's adorable!
 


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11/30/2012 10:21 AM  

I would be if we were waiting years; but a matter of months, no. Do what feels right for you. Like I said, I really could have gone either way on this based upon the research and mixed opinions of others.

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11/30/2012 2:33 PM  
Posted By Smylinacha on 11/29/2012 7:08 PM
She really poses well for her pics!


She's not really posing.  I just take a bunch of them and, luckily, some come out pretty good.

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11/30/2012 5:23 PM  
In all my years with dogs, and most were female, we only had one that he'd issues and she was spayed fairly early. Turned out it was not mammary cancer either. I have had many many intact females and never had any issues due to not spaying, but I have seen soft tissue issues that are due to the legginess of early spay.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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12/04/2012 12:36 AM  
Lovely girl.
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12/16/2012 2:32 PM  

Sooooo tired! 

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12/17/2012 3:10 AM  
sooooo cute. She has a saddle!
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01/01/2013 7:40 PM  
We are having some trouble with Lucy having accidents in the house. We live in a 3 story townhouse, so the living area is on the 2nd floor, making it necessary for her to go down a flight of stairs I'm order to go outside. It's not ideal because she can't really go to the door and let us know she has to go out. She's been getting the hang of sitting at the top of the steps and waiting, but lately she's been peeing in the house pretty frequently. Most times she won't give us any hints and she'll just go without any warning. Do you guys have any advice on how we can overcome this?
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01/01/2013 8:44 PM  

How old is Lucy now? Bella learned pretty quickly the concept of going outside...but it took her a bit longer to find the best way to let us know she needed to. I was worried she had decided the way to was the squat for us to see, let a little dribble, cut off when I said "no" and swooped her up to go immediately outside. BUT, just as I inquired on here for some advice as we didn't want to do the bell on the door thing....it was like a lightbulb went off for her overnight and she just figured it out. I'd say you're doing right by teaching her to wait at the stairs since she can't go to the door. Bella learned to whine...go to the door we could see from the living room (though not the door we go out), make eye contact, when we asked if she needs to go out, she then runs to the appropriate door. This is still her method.

Lucy is still young yet, I'd give her a little more time and patience. I know accidents are no fun, but she will gain more control as she ages and fully figures out the concept. She'll put it all together. In the meantime...watch her like a hawk so that when she does begin to dribble you can cut her off and get her outside. We put up gates so Bella was only in the room we were and never able to be out of sight. Also, I doubt you are, but make sure not to punish the accidents. She can't help it. Just make sure to throw her a praise party after going outside.

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01/07/2013 2:39 PM  

 cute pup, here's mine:

she was 9wks old new years day, & so I have some 1st hand experience with your crate question.  i'm also a 1st time dog owner (27 yrs old).  it sure is hard to hear my girl whine (her name's Suzy).  the thing i have to continually remind myself of, is that if i reinforce her whining by getting her out of the crate when she does whine, then all i'm doing is making her life more difficult.  being in the crate is a necessity at her age, because she could hurt herself if left unattended while i sleep.  when she whines, it's vital that I don't even acknowledge that I can hear her.  i will walk through the room, sit down & read, etc but never look at her in the crate while she's whining. even on day 1 she started to realize that crying was fruitless.  you have to be consistent on this or you will teach her that crying get's attention, & that's not good for either of you.  

 

i've had her about a week, & she still protests a bit if i crate her while i shower or something, but she knows when it's bed time & has gone willingly & quietly the last 4 nights in a row.  the 1st 2 nights i had her, she was on the ground in my room in the crate, since it was her 1st night, i put her crate on my bed next to me.  she continue to whimper, but i held strong & she quieted down, & went to sleep after she realized i was doing the same & wasn't going to let her out.   the 2nd night i also put her on my bed in the crate & she didn't even make a peep.  so the 3rd night i put her on the floor, she protested for 5 or 10 minutes, then slept soundly all night.  she likes to wake me up about 6 or 6:30am, & my alarm is set for 7am, each morning i ignore her until exactly 7am when the alarm goes off, the last 2 mornings, she's slept in quietly until i open her crate.   she's definitely making progress

 

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01/07/2013 3:22 PM  
Oh stop with the puppies already! Suzy and Bella are precious!

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01/07/2013 3:53 PM  
I know, all these little puppies! So cute! Welcome chevy!

I wish I could help with the signaling of potty breaks. I was in DC for about three weeks and Nixie was with my sister during that time and she worked with her on this. She lets me know by standing/sitting by the back door and whining. What's funny is that I can leave her out there but whenever I come out to play with her during the day she'll go potty right then. It's like my presence triggers her release. Anyways, I hope it gets better and that you guys can figure out a good system that works for all of you!

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01/07/2013 7:03 PM  

 Wow, such cute dogs here, I love 'em.

Here's our new puppy, Hunter ST (Hunter for short, lol):

Hunter ST

Hunter ST at 9 weeks

 

He arrived at 11:30PM into Albany, NY at 8 weeks of age, and the images are of him at about 9 and a half weeks. He's growing quick though, is already far along regarding house breaking (he lets out a little whimper to let us know he needs to go outside), and is coming along fine with bite management (snapping fingers now do the trick). He loves the snow, jumping in and out of the drifts (we live a bit up a mountain, in the High Peaks of the Adirondacks), but does tend to chill relatively quick even when he's running. I'm (I should say he's, eh?) also fortunate that I work from home so he's with me the whole day and gets to go out at my leisure, and will probably be around 75-80 lbs once he's full grown (his dam stems from Italy; his sire, from Serbia). 

Anyway, I figured I'd say hi and introduce Hunter to the group. Not sure where everyone is from, but we're about 14 miles outside of lake Placid, NY.

Cheers,

Jan, Hunter's daddy.

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01/11/2013 9:44 AM  

 When puppies do this, I do wonder about UTIs. It doesn't hurt to check. My vet lets me do a catch and bring it in, which saves us both some time (and me some $$.) I realize you posted this a few days ago, so maybe you looked into that. :) I figured I'd post in case someone else has the problem.

Have you considered training her to ring a doorbell to let you know she needs to go out?


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