Congrats on both Beth! It will all work out for the best. Last year when Hunter got ahold of Belle I went through the same thing. There were no other alternatives offered except to have her spayed. I didn't want that either as I wanted to breed them. I had just wanted to have their hips and health checked for cert. I agree with the health checks but just because a dog isn't TITLED as a field champ or whatever does not mean it isn't  a good dog! My dogs would run with the best of them. I just don't have the time or money right now to pursue the Hunt tests.

You have some wonderful dogs and I bet you'll have some beautiful puppies. Good luck with both. Let me know when you find out for sure if she is carrying.

Just following up on this post.  Any news on whether Tundra is pregnant yet?  I am interested in a companion for our current dog, Duke.

I am not interested in a hunting or show line dog, just a companion.  But, I still want a healthy dog.  Are the Parents OFA or PENN-Hip tested?  I have dealt with hip dysplasia in the past as a result of a bad, irresponsible breeder that did not do propering breeding tests.  I surely would not like to have to deal with that again.

Sally with Duke

Then, you also know that giving Prostaglandin is not the same thing as a Mismate shot (which can and does cause Pyometra-have had that to deal with and it is not fun).  I agree completely with vets not wanting to give Mismate shots.  Not only are you dealing with the likelihood of pyo but also a very great chance of hemolytic anemia at a later age....plus they don't always work.

When we used the Lutalyse on my girl (after she already had an open pyo), we had to get it from a large animal vet also.

Good wishes, maybe with a split season like she had, she also was on the tail end of being in season.  Sometime a few years later after the pyo and lutalyse (and a couple litters), I looked out the back door to find her tied with my boy, and that was a full month after she'd been in season....nothing like a little recreation, I suppose.

Phyllis and the furtribe

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Hello Everyone that is interested in the Tundra-Moose litter.  Thought I would share this information that Beth send me if you had some of the same questions and concerns that I may of had.

Sally with Duke

Message from Beth:

Well here is the story on our possible pups. First Moose is about 26 inches tall he is a liver and white patched and ticked. Very nice looking dog but I of course am bias as he is mine. Tundra, my female, is what we call Tiny T! She is about 20" tall and weighs maybe soaking wet 35lbs on a good day with a full belly. She is my little girl. She is a liver roan patched. VERY stunning looking dog. She also has the breeding of Crosswind kennels. They have some of the top dogs in the country for National Shoot to Retrieve series of testing. Well Tundra was in heat a few weeks back and moose bent the kennels wires to heck and got in with her. They were not locked together when we got home so of course we don't know for sure if he bred her or not. So we are waiting a few more weeks to have her examined to see what we can tell. At this point neither of them have been health checked as neither are two yet. YIKES! But my vet said that my female would be ok to have the pups even though she is young. We work very close with our vet so I trust them . They both will have the testing done when they are old enough and there have been no issues in their lines either. We are going to ask $400 for the pups. She would be due in 6-8 weeks from now if she was bred. I know I already have 3-4 people waiting for me to say she is pregnant to send me deposits on pups as they have all seen them both work birds and also we compete in dock jumping and they have all seen them compete there too.

I hope this helps answer your questions! Let me know if you want more info or if you want me to add you to the contact list for when we find out. I understand if you are looking to get something sooner as well. Thanks so much for contacting me about these possible pups though!

Here is a second one with more information.

Sally with Duke

2nd Message from Beth:

I have not bred GSP's before but know much about the breed .I also run a GSP rescue. I do breed and raise Appaloosa horses so breeding in general is not a new thing to me. I am just starting to build my dog program. I am not listed yet with AKC as I was not planning on this happening for an other year and a half at the soonest. I think the pups will be between Tundra and Moose. Remember too that Tundra is not even a year yet. I have checked everything out with my vet as to her having the pups and they said she will be ok. I will have an ultra sound done about day 50 or so to see how many pups there are and if it is a big litter will do a planned C-section. Moose is 1.5 years old and Tundra is 11 months old. Moose has his junior jumping title and working toward his senior. his best jump is a 19'2". At this point we have not done any hunt trials at all. we will plan on starting this with him in the next year. He has UKC points in showing. I believe he has 50 of the 100 needed. But I just don't enjoy showing so I have not continued it. Tundra has her Novice title for jumping and has some legs toward her junior. She also has some show points with UKC but same thing as moose I just don't enjoy it. She will start her hunt training this winter as well. Moose also is being trained right now for agility and we will also be starting Skijoring this winter.

I hope this answers some of your other questions. Let me know if you need anything else!

 Yes, this veers away from your original post, but that WOULD be why the GSPCA has created a breed standard.  You might want to take a look at some pedigrees, and not just "look for a small dog"  if you are really serious about bettering the breed.  Very close line breeding will create smaller and smaller dogs...

There are new "designer dogs" whelped every day and marketed for big bucks....Yorkie-Poos, Labradoodles, Terri-Poos, Puggles....sure, they are cute, but like my ex used to say when we were out hunting down new fishing lures...and I'd spy one that looked attractive. "What will this catch?" I'd say, and his answer was always...."It just did".  If you truly care about the breed, then you'll do your bookwork and pedigree research first, go to some national specialties and field trials and actually see and get your hands on those you like.

Best wishes, but gritting my teeth over designer dogs,

Phyllis in NM

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Size, Proportion, Substance

Size--height of dogs, measured at the withers, 23 to 25 inches. Height of bitches, measured at the withers, 21 to 23 inches. Deviations of one inch above or below the described heights are to be severely penalized. Weight of dogs 55 to 70 pounds. Weight of bitches 45 to 60 pounds. Proportion--measuring from the forechest to the rearmost projection of the rump and from the withers to the ground, the Shorthair is permissibly either square or slightly longer than he is tall. Substance--thin and fine bones are by no means desirable in a dog which must possess strength and be able to work over any type of terrain. The main importance is not laid so much on the size of bone, but rather on the bone being in proper proportion to the body. Bone structure too heavy or too light is a fault. Tall and leggy dogs, dogs which are ponderous because of excess substance, doggy bitches, and bitchy dogs are to be faulted.
Beth, I am sure since Tundra is as yet not a year old that she will grow more. All of mine grew until 1 1/2 years old. So I wouldn't let the 1 inch in height bother you. She will get a bit heavier especially after the babies. Mocha is by far bigger than Belle is. They are both in the "standard" range. Mocha is very wide in the chest and her rib cage is huge. Belle is just a bit smaller. Hunter looks like he is bony and skin but he is not. He is I think around 56# right now. Just because an animal is to the small side of the standard does not mean it is not a good one!

I am concerned that people are mixing the purebred dogs and making these hybrid as they call them and pricing them higher than some of our purebreds. The thought of a mini is neat as I have imagines one the size of a mini pincher.

Everyone has their own opinion as to what a GSP should look like between color and size. If they fit the standard then that's all that matters. If they are just as pets and not being bred then it doesnt really matter. They will be the same loving, caring, energetic partners that we ALL love!

 Good luck with the pups and P.M. me when you know for sure. Maybe I can help you.