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GSPCRNAUser is Offline
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10/01/2012 4:18 PM  

 Hi,

I'm having a bit of a dillema trying to decide what to do and I thought you guys could help.  We had a deposit on a male puppy from a littler that was just born.  The problem is that we were 4th on the list and there are only 2 males.  We have the option of getting a female, but we were hoping for a male.

We have done a lot of research on this breed and have read that males are more affectionate and easier to train.  We don't plan on hunting it and he will be a house pet and companion and will accompany us on hikes and other adventures.  What do you guys say about males vs. females in reagards to trainability, disposition, loyalty, independence, and affection?

We need to make a decision really soon... thanks!

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10/01/2012 4:53 PM  
There is really no difference. I have 3 girls and a male. All are incredibly smart and loving. I train all my dogs in various performance areas, but mostly focus on obedience. The girls settle down sooner than the boys so typically their focus is better earlier. They also grow up a little faster so things like potty training and trustworthiness when left alone comes earlier than with males. Just remember I am generalizing and there are always exceptions. All that said if their is a female you like, I would encourage you to go for it. My second shorthair was supposed to be a male and just like with you there were only 2 males. I ended up with a girl and have never regretted it. She is seven now, but I learned allot with her, won a variety of titles including an obedience high in trial at the GSP Nationals, and she is the mother of my first litter which turned out awesome. I am so glad God had a plan for me and forced me to get a this girl. I would honestly be amazed if you ever regretted getting a girl.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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10/01/2012 6:02 PM  
Males lift their leg and females don't.

If you want a male look into another litter.


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10/01/2012 8:21 PM  
We always assumed we would get a male dog, and when we were ready..I had asked the breeder to send me some photos of the male pups. In the photos, I kept seeing this one puppy in the background that she never discussed so I asked, and it was the puppy we ended up getting. The way she described the puppies' personalities, she stole my heart before I even got there. We went to look at the males too, but we came home with Bella. She is the most sweet natured, intelligent, and loving dog I have ever had. She is very independent in many ways, but very loyal and attached in other ways. I can't imagine us having gotten any better had we made any other choice.

I think if you really want a dog that is going to match you and your family, you're better off going to visit the puppies and seeing their personalities for yourself. See how you feel and how you connect. If getting a female doesn't feel right to you, hold out for the next litter to come along. I'm only speaking from the fact that we thought we'd get a male, fell in a love with a female...and have never for one second regretted it. Good luck with whatever you choose!
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10/01/2012 11:48 PM  
We have not had a chance to yet pick a puppy. Next time we probably will.

We would look for the pup with the best temperament (and definitely not for looks). If for companionship, I would look for the pup that chooses us.

As for gender, I would consider when, or if, to spay/neuter and if not fixed, what effect hormones would have.

My male GSP was not affectionate until he 3 yrs old. Nor would I say he has been easy to train. Quick to learn, but quick to test the limits as well. LOL.
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10/02/2012 5:34 AM  
I don't know that I'll ever get a female. I love my male SO much. He is the biggest lover, cuddly, loves kids, loves people....

He was so easy to potty train (only like 5 accidents EVER) and was left out of his crate from 6 months on.

Depends on the dog regarding trustworthiness. When I was also living with my ex and I's other GSP... he was 1 1/2 and destroyed everything when he was left out of his crate. I've been told he has since settled down and is left out all day.

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10/02/2012 6:34 AM  
I have a strong preference for males dogs regardless of breed - I prefer their look especially in the pointing breeds and I find their personalities more pleasing in that they seem less serious than females.
Again speaking about all breeds I find the males less noisy than females.
I do think females seem more affectionate and 'softer' around kids and humans
Lastly I have no desire to deal with a heat cycle - I would spay/neuter my pet but if I was getting a pup I would want to let the female go through a heat and the male get to about 2.

I do think that depending on why you wanted a boy it really isn't a big deal to get a female if you really like her personality and style. A pup from a good litter is always wonderful :)

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10/02/2012 7:00 AM  
We have had three females which all of them are/were love bugs. Our youngest has been our most challenging but still is very affectionate.
I had two male dogs before (black lab and a Dob mix) and both were just as affectionate. I have been around male GSP's and they have been just as cuddly.
I think Pixie said it best.
Go meet the females. If you aren't satisfied, go find another litter.

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10/02/2012 7:17 AM  

I had thought I wanted a female (this was to be my first dog ever). When we inquired with the breeder we had chosen, she only had males available. So we put down a deposit and went down to meet the pups and fell in love with our boy. When we decided it was time to add a second to the family, the breeder had a female available for fostering, we went down to meet her and fell in love.

Our boy is a creampuff, just the sweetest, cuddle-pie. BUT he is more challenging and demanding of our time. But he is a real people-pleaser (most of the time ;)). And he's bigger.

Our girl has been a mom three times and is definitely the boss of every dog she meets. And talk about stubborn! But she is a real cuddle-bunny when SHE wants to be and she picks stuff up very quickly. And she's smaller.

Don't know if the differences are because we raised Bo (our boy) from 8 weeks and Shiraz was with the breeder for the first 5 years of her life. But together they are an awesome pair and I wouldn't trade either one of them for anything (despite their quirks!).

What would I choose next time? Hard to say since I'm not sure I want another puppy (and man GSP puppies are hard to resist) and there are so many rescues out there. We have said after the two we currently have we will try to do rescues where possible.
 


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10/02/2012 8:06 AM  

I got my female Zoe when she was 8 weeks old and when I lost my springer spaniel last November I wanted to get another female GSP.

When I contacted Zoe's breeder she had a 10 month old male (Zoe's litter mate) that she needed to give up because of personal reasons.  I was very reluctant to get a male because I had always thought that females were easier to train and were more affecionate.  The more I thought about it, I decided to adopt the male.

As far as affection level - I see no difference in the two, they are both very affectionate, I will say that she is jealous and when Archer is getting attention she will try to nudge him out of the way.

Training - Zoe has been relatively easy to train (except for the loose leash walking and her recall still needs work).  Archer came to me housebroken but needed a lot of work on everything else. He caught on fairly quickly but I will say that he is stubborn.  Just an example - when we walk at night, everytime we come to a street corner, I will say "stop", Zoe automatically sits every time, Archer stands there looks around  and I will have to tell him several times to sit (even with treats).

I was quite pleased this past weekend, I had some friends in for the weekend that don't have kids or pets. They absolutely fell in love with Archer & Zoe and said "wow these dogs are so well behaved, and so sweet".  They had been talking about getting a dog and after this weekend they are sold on the GSP breed.

I couldn't be happier with either one of my dogs and wouldn't take anything in the world for them.  So, male or female - I really think it's just a personal preference and you can't go wrong with a GSP!

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10/02/2012 11:24 AM  
We have one of each. I love BOTH of them equally, as BOTH are very cuddly. I was afraid to get a male because I had always heard they mark territory. I was afraied he would be more stubborn. Kaido is a big chicken, cautious, but remains curious about everything. He explores more freely when sis is around! I cannot get him inside the vet doors without Maybrie. Kaido is a bit more cuddly, but does not have the "on/off" switch that Maybrie has. I can bring her inside from a hard run and she plops down, content to just "be." Kaido paces around looking for more, and is always asking, "what's next?" He is a tad bit more stubborn on some issues, like responding to "come" when there are more interesting thing going on where he's sniffing. However, He sits on a dime prior to being let outside because he REALLY LOVES to go outside! Maybrie is stubborn with her "sit" command. Maybrie is mature goofy and runs circles around Kaido in energy level. Kaido is soft, goofy, clumsy He is fun to cuddle with, and he LOVES to stare deeply into our eyes! He is hilarious in his own way, as is Maybire! i LOVE BOTH, but I guess Maybrie is a tad easier!

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10/02/2012 12:45 PM  
IMO, personality and gender traits are different things.

I believe personality traits include temperament, cooperation, independence, etc.

Gender traits are hormonal - what effect testosterone and estrogen, etc. has on body and mind.

To me, gender attributes include physical size, shape of body/face, nesting, marking, etc.

I agree with kpwlee when asking do I want to deal with a heat cycle or not.

From my reading, later neutering/spaying is best to allow proper bone and muscle growth.

For our male, we had him neutered, and gender attributes that have reduced a little bit, but not completely, include urine marking and male to male posturing.
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10/02/2012 1:23 PM  

I have never wanted a male dog because they hike their legs to pee on just about anything.  When my daughter found a dog she wanted, it was a male border collie.  She told me she could train him not to do that . . . and well, it can be done, so now I would consider getting a male.  He is very loving and just overall a great dog.

I do have female GSPs because of the smaller size.  But if size is not a concern, I would really just go with the one with the best temperment and structure . . .  you just can't go wrong either way, male or female.

Roz

Texas BelleUser is Offline
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10/02/2012 1:39 PM  
Roz is spot on, you can train a male dog not to mark. You can also deal with the male to male posturing as well. And just for the record females mark and posture too. Allot of that depends on the personalities of the dogs in question.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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10/02/2012 2:04 PM  
yeah females do it too! Striker has never lifted his leg... doesn't even lift it to pee, blitz does lift to pee and when outside he will go around and lift and pee on bushes and trees for marking... he has never even thought about doing it inside anywhere and he goes to several different houses all with other dogs... now the girl dogs I watch constantly mark and as soon as my dogs potty they are going right on top of where mine went asap...

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10/04/2012 2:03 PM  
We've decided on a female. At this point we're still waiting to hear back from the breeder. Thanks for all the replies!
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10/04/2012 5:17 PM  

 So have any of you guys found females to be more hyper than males??  This is what the breeder is telling us.

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10/04/2012 7:28 PM  
I really think there is only so much you can generalize to gender. It's really going to depend on your pup's personality, and what you introduce once the pup is in your home. Ask the breeder about the personalities of the parents. Are they incredibly active? Are they able to calm in the house? I also think people get GSPs thinking they have to throw activity their way every spare minute of the day. With Bella, we only introduced the degree of activity to her that we knew we would be maintaining. This way she didn't get used to more activity and come to demand it. She is very calm in the house, and a mad woman in the woods :) She plays hard, and crashes as hard.

You might be putting weight on stereotypes or generalizations. That could you leave with expectations of your pup that it may or may not be able to live up to. I think the parents are your best bet to know what type of pup you could be getting. Find out as much as you can about them and if it sounds like they would fit into your family. Once you have a pup, work with it to help it be the type of pup that fits into your family.
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10/04/2012 9:22 PM  
Really there is not that much difference beyond the obvious between male and female. Personally I never think of shorthairs as hyper. Energetic yes, but not hyper.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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10/05/2012 7:19 AM  
Simply put -

dogs who know their place dont mark





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