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04/26/2010 2:35 PM  

My 3 year old male GSP has become extremely aggressive around other dogs. He used to get along pretty well, but in the last year or so he has really developed a bad attitude towards his fellow canids. We have another dog in our house that he gets along with great, and she is the dominant one in the relationship. Just this weekend, my buddy brought over his great pyrenees to visit, and my GSP just wouldn't leave him alone, and kept trying to bite his neck. Lucky for him the great pyrenees is a gentle dog, or he may have gotten what's coming to him.

Just wondering if others have had this problem with GSP's and, if so, what strategies were used to reduce this aggression. I've been thinking of getting him a muzzle and introducing him to a variety of different dogs. Maybe even a trip to the dog park, if the individual encounters go well.

I'd love to hear some feedback. Thanks.

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04/26/2010 4:43 PM  
The issue is not breed specific. What works for one breed will work for another.
Look into neutering,look into becoming a stronger leader,look into health issues.
Since you said his mother also has issues we can assume she passed it along either genteically,probably not, or in the time she spent with the pups nursing. One reason a stable mother is so very important.
I don't have advice for aggressive dogs. Sorry. If it's truely aggression where it becomes dangerous, I would put my dog down.


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04/26/2010 5:11 PM  
If he isn't neutered, I would neuter him, and then like pixie said work on being a stronger leader, and check for health issues. If you haven't already, I would start working on obedience with him and focus exercises. Find a class, but let your instructor know your dog has issues with other dogs. Working with him in a class and around other dogs will help, but you will have to watch him very carefully and intercede if he is thinking about starting something. Also, you may want to look into an animal behaviorist to help you out with your pup.

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04/26/2010 6:14 PM  
What works well is to take your GSP on walks thur your neighborhood where he will see and meet other dogs along the way. Then you can give him corrections when he begins aggressive signs ei wrinkled forehead, low growl. Give verbal praise when he passes an on coming dog on leash displaying no reaction. Would be great too if you could walk with another neighbor and dog on leash for added support. Your buddy with the Great Pyrenean Mastiff would be a wonderful walking partner for your male GSP. Good luck with your continued on going training.

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04/27/2010 6:16 AM  
Not that I am 100% fond of this show but the one called it's me or the dog with the english dog lady...she did a show with an aggressive toward other dogs and she did the walking on a leash around other dogs like mentioned above. She started out with the unfamiliar dog being walked up front a ways off and they would slow down and the aggressive dog would then get closer and closer, it was a process of course. And the owner would have to make corrections according the the dogs behavior.

When you say your dog bites the neck of the other dog is yours growling hair raised and doing it as a true aggressive behavior or is he trying to get the other dog to play? My dogs bite at each others ears and necks to get each other to play with them. I had a boxer that from the time she had all her puppy shots she would lunge aggressively and growl at full grown rott's or any dog for that matter, she had a dog aggression problem...which finally by the time she was an old lady had mellowed a bit, but it was a long process that didn't have much positive results, I was just lucky that I didn't really take her any where off leash and where we lived was rural so she didn't come across too many dogs...she never got into any dog fights or bit another dog cuz I didn't let her into those situations. So I don't have too much advice since I couldn't fix my problem.

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04/27/2010 8:06 AM  

http://leerburg.com/pdf/packstructure.pdf

check out the Leerburg site.



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04/27/2010 9:31 AM  
pixie - Good articles. I had looked that sight a long time ago and forgotten it, but he has some good info on it.

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04/27/2010 10:47 AM  
ya good article..only read a bit of it so far but a while back i downloaded bunch of videos by this guy.

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04/27/2010 12:48 PM  

I dont know if you are familiar with downloading "torrents". Here is a link to a set of videos on aggression and dominance from the same guy in the above article. I havent watched these videos but they might help you out. Link


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04/27/2010 2:17 PM  
Posted By Splat on 04/27/2010 6:16 AM
Not that I am 100% fond of this show but the one called it's me or the dog with the english dog lady...she did a show with an aggressive toward other dogs and she did the walking on a leash around other dogs like mentioned above. She started out with the unfamiliar dog being walked up front a ways off and they would slow down and the aggressive dog would then get closer and closer, it was a process of course. And the owner would have to make corrections according the the dogs behavior.

When you say your dog bites the neck of the other dog is yours growling hair raised and doing it as a true aggressive behavior or is he trying to get the other dog to play? My dogs bite at each others ears and necks to get each other to play with them. I had a boxer that from the time she had all her puppy shots she would lunge aggressively and growl at full grown rott's or any dog for that matter, she had a dog aggression problem...which finally by the time she was an old lady had mellowed a bit, but it was a long process that didn't have much positive results, I was just lucky that I didn't really take her any where off leash and where we lived was rural so she didn't come across too many dogs...she never got into any dog fights or bit another dog cuz I didn't let her into those situations. So I don't have too much advice since I couldn't fix my problem.

Yeah, that's my problem too. We simply don't run into that many other dogs. He's not playing, because he tends to draw blood when he gets into it. I almost wonder if it isn't overprotectiveness on his part. Now that I think of it, his aggression began about the time my son started walking, and they are total buddies. 

Hard to imagine it's a leadership issue, since he obeys my commands and I can get him to lay down and show his stomach with a dirty look, except when there's a strange dog around. He seems to be even more aggressive when on a leash.
I don't want to paint him as some kind of a monster, because he is a good boy with a very kind heart, who gets along great with little kids, adult humans, cats, etc...just not other dogs.

There is a dog trainer near us that I hear good things about, so maybe I'll give him a shot. I'm just surprised because I've owned half a dozen dogs in my life and they've all been very well behaved and obedient. But I won't give up on him.

Thanks for the advice.

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04/27/2010 2:39 PM  
"I don't want to paint him as some kind of a monster, because he is a good boy with a very kind heart..."

Are you sure the dogs he's drawn blood on feel this way?

Today it's a dog, tomorrow maybe a child,maybe not your child,tho.

Stop humanizing him and take control. This is a dangerous situation.


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04/27/2010 2:58 PM  
Getting a dog to do tricks (especially for a tasty treat) has nothing to do with leadership imo.

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04/27/2010 3:07 PM  
Good luck with everything tho. it seems like you are determined to help him. You will probably get a lot of conflicting advice but hopefully you can figure something out for his sake and anyone/thing that comes in contact with his aggression.

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04/27/2010 6:17 PM  
Posted By pixie bee on 04/27/2010 8:06 AM

http://leerburg.com/pdf/packstructure.pdf

check out the Leerburg site.

Wow, that guy really wants to sell his materials. The truest statement in that article: "You will quickly learn that everyone has an opinion on how to raise and train your dog." That guys philosophy sounds a little too aggressive to me. I don't think I'm prepared to walk the streets of my town spraying other people's dogs with pepper spray if they don't have them on a leash. 

For the person who made the comment about my dog "doing tricks for treats", I'm not sure where you got that. I was trying to say that he's a very submissive dog at home, ready to roll on his back for the rest of his "pack". 

That's why I'm surprised by his dominant behavior around other dogs. But we'll get it taken care of. Time to start over socializing him, and hopefully get him back to where he was a  year ago.

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04/27/2010 7:35 PM  

I have two shorthairs, six and three, both are females and both are spayed.  They get along well with each other but the older one(elle) is definately the boss, I have never had a problem with them together.  Both my dogs were socialized around adults, kids, dogs, cats etc from the day I got them. I've had both in obedience classes and work with them every day.  I noticed early on that my younger dog did not tolerate certain dogs, if they were to pushy, dominate, agressive she would have them down on the ground in a second, didn't matter if it was a pit bull, shepard or any other breed  Dog parks were out of the question.  She never drew blood and I wasn't willing to find out if she ever would.  So I enrolled in more obedience classes, which helped.  When  family or friends come over to the house with their dogs I take abby ouside on leash to greet the other dog then take them inside, even if she knows them.  When I hike with my dogs I'm always on the lookout for other dogs and if I see any abby is healing at my side until we pass them.  She is not allowed to great any other dog unless I say so.  I've come to terms that this is her temperment and I have to always be proactive.  The key for me is to always be in control and avoid potential problems.

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04/27/2010 10:33 PM  
Posted By boognish on 04/27/2010 6:17 PM

For the person who made the comment about my dog "doing tricks for treats", I'm not sure where you got that. I was trying to say that he's a very submissive dog at home, ready to roll on his back for the rest of his "pack".


woops..I read that wrong and I apoligize. I didnt mean to offend. anyway again good luck hopfully you will be reporting back with some good progress.


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04/28/2010 6:00 AM  

Your dog has to know you do not tolerate it. Nip it in the bud the second the dog makes the first little growl or any type of aggressive signal.  I let a lot of training dogs in the yard together and usually I am carrying a pooper scooper around, if I see anything starting I give 'em a pop on the butt  with an Ahhh, and it startles them, but also sends a message.  I do not tolerate it...From then on a simple Ahh tells them you better not think it....


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04/28/2010 6:30 AM  
Posted By snips on 04/28/2010 6:00 AM

Your dog has to know you do not tolerate it. Nip it in the bud the second the dog makes the first little growl or any type of aggressive signal.  I let a lot of training dogs in the yard together and usually I am carrying a pooper scooper around, if I see anything starting I give 'em a pop on the butt  with an Ahhh, and it startles them, but also sends a message.  I do not tolerate it...From then on a simple Ahh tells them you better not think it....

I'm going to make sure that he's on a leash from now on for every interaction we have with another dog. I've recently discovered the effectiveness of the gentle leader, which he really responds to, where he will completely ignore a choke chain. Plus, the gentle leader allows me to turn his head away if he lunges at another dog. I'm going to have one of my buddies have his dog on a leash and just slowly move my dog closer to him, correcting any bad behavior as he exhibits it. Hopefully by the end of a couple of sessions they'll be buddies and able to play together (or at least that's my hope).

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04/28/2010 7:06 AM  

I think you have some huge expectations about the playing thing.  You should be only expecting the dog to back off when you tell him to. And be happy when he does. Dog needs to know yu are pack leader, not him.   I have seen a couple of males with testosterone when playing and it can also turn real quick.


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04/28/2010 7:17 AM  
Posted By snips on 04/28/2010 7:06 AM

I think you have some huge expectations about the playing thing.  You should be only expecting the dog to back off when you tell him to. And be happy when he does. Dog needs to know yu are pack leader, not him.   I have seen a couple of males with testosterone when playing and it can also turn real quick.

Well, you gotta have a long term goal, right? Eventually I want him to be able to play with and be around other dogs without incident. Only a couple of sessions is probably too optimistic, but you never know. Like I said, he used to play well with others, so hopefully he'll remember how fun it was and start to behave. My buddy has a huge Rottweiller with a great disposition, so he should be the perfect dog to work with, since I know he won't initiate any aggression towards my dog, and I can make my corrections to him while dealing with a calm, good natured dog, instead of one who is also looking to scrap.

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