GSPCRNA Pennsylvania
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| 11/19/2012 8:04 AM |
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We're getting a female pup and I'd like to know if you guys have any advice on preparing to bring her home. We have to go out and do some shopping this week in order to get ready. We need a collar and leash, some toys and treats, and a nice bed for her. The breeder has told us what food she's been using, so we will continue to use that. |
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 11/19/2012 8:18 AM |
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Congrats on your new addition! Do you plan to crate train? I would suggest a metal crate with a divider that your dog can grow into. Many of the metal styles also have attachable play pens that can be purchased separately if you wanted to try out the idea of a puppy pen (it didn't work for our puppy it just made her anxious, she did much better with less space in her crate if we could not supervise her). We ended up breaking apart the play pen and using the gating to block off certain rooms as she aged rather than having to buy baby gates. I found the pouches that hold treats that attach to your waist or belt to be very handy in the puppy stages for training. We also used a clicker when she was a pup which worked well. Consider if you want to use the bells that hang on doors for potty training (we opted out of that as my husband didn't want her learning to paw at the door, but I hear it works great for others). We also had a 20+ foot lead for training and exploring (since we don't have a fenced yard). These work nicely for teaching retrieving and recall as well. Our puppy loved plush toys but we found her to be a chewer (especially when teething). Get the fun plush toys, but you may also want to get a good nylabone and some teething toys. You can put teething toys in the freezer so they are cold and soothing. Baby carrots also work great (I diced carrots and used them often as a healthy training treat rather than store bought treats). We read some puppy training books and learned some helpful ideas. You'll find what works best for you and your puppy. If possible, ask the breeder right now to put a toy, spare blanket, shirt, or just anything they can live with parting in with the mom and pups right now that can come home with your puppy. This way, for the first couple of days your pup will have the reassurance of something that smells like his/her mom and littermates. Be prepared for a few sleepless nights your first few days (we set an hourly alarm to let her out during the night, moving up to every two hours...three hours...then just once a night). It may not sound fun, but it is far easier than cleaning up a messy room or crate and puppy It will be well worth it!! They are an absolute joy! Enjoy the puppy stage. It goes by SO fast. |
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Splat Illinois (Northern)
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| 11/19/2012 8:22 AM |
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I think most issues come with sleeping at night and crate training... I some people have to crates but I had only the one... if they have 2 one is for night time and the other is for left alone at home... I kept mine in my bedroom in a place where the pup could see me at bedtime...I would take the pup out for the last potty outing of the day and then put him in the crate, I would get my pj's on and sit in bed and read... mine would just fall asleep and I would then shut off the light and go to bed... I am a light sleeper so if I heard movement I would get up and take the pup out for a potty turning on as few lights as possible... and then put the pup right back into the crate... mine quickly went all the way through the night without having to go out... since the crate was small enough I would move it into the living room for the day time... if I had to clean house and could not keep both eyes on the pup I would put him into the crate and clean... I would come and go from the room and the pup would stay in until I was done... now if I was taking a long time and thought the pup needed I potty break I would do that... the key is to ignore them when they are in there and only take them out if they are quiet not when they are crying... so timing is everything! Also only do as much exercise/playtime as you intend to do for the rest of their life... they get very routine and if they get used to having a lot of one one time or exercise time they will expect it... so get a routine going... we started basic training from day one... when answering the door we would teach them where they had to be when we answered the door, this helps with the jumping up on people, even when they are little don't let them do it... also they had to sit for their breakfast and dinner... which leads into stay also... Have fun and enjoy can't wait to see pics! |
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GSPCRNA Pennsylvania
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| 11/19/2012 9:00 AM |
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Posted By smatulewicz on 11/19/2012 8:18 AM
Congrats on your new addition! Do you plan to crate train? I would suggest a metal crate with a divider that your dog can grow into. Many of the metal styles also have attachable play pens that can be purchased separately if you wanted to try out the idea of a puppy pen (it didn't work for our puppy it just made her anxious, she did much better with less space in her crate if we could not supervise her). We ended up breaking apart the play pen and using the gating to block off certain rooms as she aged rather than having to buy baby gates.
I found the pouches that hold treats that attach to your waist or belt to be very handy in the puppy stages for training. We also used a clicker when she was a pup which worked well. Consider if you want to use the bells that hang on doors for potty training (we opted out of that as my husband didn't want her learning to paw at the door, but I hear it works great for others). We also had a 20+ foot lead for training and exploring (since we don't have a fenced yard). These work nicely for teaching retrieving and recall as well.
Our puppy loved plush toys but we found her to be a chewer (especially when teething). Get the fun plush toys, but you may also want to get a good nylabone and some teething toys. You can put teething toys in the freezer so they are cold and soothing. Baby carrots also work great (I diced carrots and used them often as a healthy training treat rather than store bought treats).
We read some puppy training books and learned some helpful ideas. You'll find what works best for you and your puppy.
If possible, ask the breeder right now to put a toy, spare blanket, shirt, or just anything they can live with parting in with the mom and pups right now that can come home with your puppy. This way, for the first couple of days your pup will have the reassurance of something that smells like his/her mom and littermates.
Be prepared for a few sleepless nights your first few days (we set an hourly alarm to let her out during the night, moving up to every two hours...three hours...then just once a night). It may not sound fun, but it is far easier than cleaning up a messy room or crate and puppy  " border="0" /> It will be well worth it!! They are an absolute joy! Enjoy the puppy stage. It goes by SO fast.
Thanks for the tips. We have The Art of Rasing a Puppy by the Monks of New Skete, and will be using that as a guide. I plan on picking up at least one other book as well. Can you guys recommend a specific brand of treat that your dogs love?
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 11/19/2012 9:57 AM |
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| You got some good advice. That crate is great for a female as long as she is not a big female. If you need to cut the size down for now, just put a card board box in the back of the crate. The Art of Raising a Puppy is a great puppy book. You might also want to pick up a book on clicker training as puppies do really well with clickers. If you don't like clickers you can just pick a word and use it instead of the clicker. I use Yes as my marker. As for treats I typically make my own so I know what is in them. If you are interested I have the recipes on my website. Otherwise my dogs like the Wellness training treats. They are soft squares, but you can tear small bits off for rewarding. Also, the BilJac liver training treats are good. We jokingly call the BilJac doggy crack because most dogs love BilJac. Good luck and enjoy the puppy stage as it is very short. Can't wait to see some pictures. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 11/19/2012 9:57 AM |
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I will say about the kennel you have posted, that if your girl is anything like ours...plastic isn't going to suffice (Bella would immediately go to work at each and every one of those holes). For some who even aren't chewers out of kennel...boredom may get the best of them in their crate. You'll have to see if you got a chewer or non chewer (Bella only chews her things...so it really isn't a huge issue for us other than she cannot have fun plush toys or I'm picking up bits and pieces all day long). What is pictured on this webpage is more like we used (i'm not sure of the actual brand we have but we got it at our local TSC). The nice thing about these are they are chew proof and they also collapse for storage (ours is "put away" but really just housed under the couch should we ever need to break it out for any reason. It worked famously for travel as well since Bella is not crated in the car, but we wanted her crate to come with). Most of these style kennels come with a divider that can be inserted and used to limit the space available. We just gradually moved it back as Bella grew and gained more control of her body and potty habits until ultimately she didn't need the divider at all. I had its own spot in the living room and was covered with a blanket to make it more den like. She only got bored enough to pull the entire blanket through the little slats one time The joy they bring you make the antics they often get into worth it! I would highly recommend going with this type of kennel. But, that is just because it is what worked very well for us. |
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 11/19/2012 9:57 AM |
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| All that and I forgot to post the link: http://www.dogkennels.com/dog-crates/wire-dog-crates/6996+6998+7010.cfm?source=googleaw&kwid=wire%20dog%20kennel&tid=modbroad&gclid=CKDh8uS-27MCFQjznAod-HQA5Q |
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GSPCRNA Pennsylvania
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| 11/23/2012 11:53 AM |
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Posted By smatulewicz on 11/19/2012 9:57 AM
All that and I forgot to post the link: http://www.dogkennels.com/dog-crates/wire-dog-crates/6996+6998+7010.cfm?source=googleaw&kwid=wire%20dog%20kennel&tid=modbroad&gclid=CKDh8uS-27MCFQjznAod-HQA5Q
We ended up getting a kennel like one you posted simply because it will be easier to fold up and store as well as transport. We are going to put a crate pad inside to make it more comfortable as well as cover it with a blanket to make it more den-like. We also bought some bill-jac liver treats and lots of toys. Does anyone use clickers when they train their dogs? I'm not quite familiar with how they are used and what their purpose it. Also, does anyone use a whistle for commands such as recall? |
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 11/23/2012 12:01 PM |
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Awesome. I think you'll be really happy with that type of kennel. Not as easy to transport from room to room, but ours stayed stationary as we wanted Bella to get used to the kennel where it would always be. I won't lie...I did sleep on the couch in the living room a couple of nights during the puppy days. We did clicker train during her early stages. Even now, I'm sure I could bring it back out and she would understand quick we were going to learn something new. Basically, you initially teach that a click equates a treat...leading into a click equates a right move (or in the beginning a move toward the ultimate goal), and then once they are understanding what is expected to any given command you can graduate to clicking only when the command is correct. I will look at some videos and see if I can find a good one for you. I'm sure I have explained it poorly. I verbally whistle in the field for 1. fall back/stay close and 2. recall. Problem is...my husband can't whistle. So, looking back it would have been nice to train with an actual whistle. Do what works for you. We have verbal and visual commands as well that he uses in lieu of the whistle. Speaking of... I highly suggest during your training to have visual signals that couple with your verbal signals. Bella seems to pick up on the visual signals almost faster...and often to this day responds to them better. It also keeps us from having to verbally repeat a command if she wasn't fully focused the first time...and gets her attention when she is having her GSP ADD moments and not fully auditory focused. Good luck! Excited for you! We too got Bella this time last year as Christmas to ourselves. I looked back at her squirt photos the other day and can't believe how fast it has gone. |
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smatulewicz Michigan
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| 11/23/2012 12:04 PM |
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| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15vKqCSNhqY I didn't watch this entire video, but it seemed to be appropriate. |
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GSPCRNA Pennsylvania
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| 11/23/2012 12:19 PM |
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| I'm reading the Art of Raising a Puppy, and the Monks say not to use treats when training. Is this possible?? |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 11/23/2012 3:37 PM |
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So, the monks are old school and they train German Shepards. Their concepts are good though as are their insights. I use treats freely with puppies and then fade the treats later when the dogs are older. Clicker training allows you to associate the click with a reward (treat). You first train the association by clicking and treating (this is called loading). Then you use the clicker to mark the behavior you want. So at first you may mark an move in the right direction, then the full behavior. For instance, to teach come yo call your dog. If the dog looks in your direction, you click and treat. Once they do this consistently you wait for a step toward you, then treat, and so on. That example is pretty extreme as most puppies will head to you on first call, but it gives you the idea. I use this method, but do not use a clicker. I use the verbal marker, Yes instead. The concept is the same. The nice part about this type of training is it allows you to shape and perfect a behavior, and as you progress you do not have to treat immediately, but the dog knows the treat is coming. I recommend you finish th Monks book and also get a book on clicker training. You will start see the more books you read different training methods, but also the overlaps in training methods. Develop one that works for you. With me I use a combination of many methods. I mostly use positive training, but there are times I have used negative reinforcers too. It truly depends on the dog and the issue you are dealing itch. Every dog is different, and training used for a border collie does not necessarily work for shorthairs. Shorthairs re very smart and do not do well with drilling. They are also soft and that softness and intelligence is often mistaken for stubbornness. With my dogs if they get an exercise right we move on. I also always stop on a positive and keep the training short and fun. Training is always a fun time and I mix allot of play in the training. Good luck and have fun with your pup. If you have any specific questions ask. I train and compete with my dogs in obedience and will be happy to answer any questions. My male won high in trial in obedience this year at our Nationals in Phoenix. His older sister won high in trial at the shorthair Nationals in Denver in 2009. I am pretty proud of both of them. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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mrspwgunny Long Island NY
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| 11/23/2012 5:55 PM |
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Congrats on your new puppy! Look forward to seeing pictures. Wyatt slept in the crate from day 1, I also slept on the sofa for the first week, it really helped he went through the night week 2! |
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GSPCRNA Pennsylvania
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| 11/24/2012 7:29 PM |
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Posted By Texas Belle on 11/23/2012 3:37 PM
So, the monks are old school and they train German Shepards. Their concepts are good though as are their insights. I use treats freely with puppies and then fade the treats later when the dogs are older. Clicker training allows you to associate the click with a reward (treat). You first train the association by clicking and treating (this is called loading). Then you use the clicker to mark the behavior you want. So at first you may mark an move in the right direction, then the full behavior. For instance, to teach come yo call your dog. If the dog looks in your direction, you click and treat. Once they do this consistently you wait for a step toward you, then treat, and so on. That example is pretty extreme as most puppies will head to you on first call, but it gives you the idea. I use this method, but do not use a clicker. I use the verbal marker, Yes instead. The concept is the same. The nice part about this type of training is it allows you to shape and perfect a behavior, and as you progress you do not have to treat immediately, but the dog knows the treat is coming.
I recommend you finish th Monks book and also get a book on clicker training. You will start see the more books you read different training methods, but also the overlaps in training methods. Develop one that works for you. With me I use a combination of many methods. I mostly use positive training, but there are times I have used negative reinforcers too. It truly depends on the dog and the issue you are dealing itch. Every dog is different, and training used for a border collie does not necessarily work for shorthairs. Shorthairs re very smart and do not do well with drilling. They are also soft and that softness and intelligence is often mistaken for stubbornness. With my dogs if they get an exercise right we move on. I also always stop on a positive and keep the training short and fun. Training is always a fun time and I mix allot of play in the training.
Good luck and have fun with your pup. If you have any specific questions ask. I train and compete with my dogs in obedience and will be happy to answer any questions. My male won high in trial in obedience this year at our Nationals in Phoenix. His older sister won high in trial at the shorthair Nationals in Denver in 2009. I am pretty proud of both of them.
Thanks for the reply. I definitely plan on trying the clicker. We picked her up today and she is precious. I'll post pics tomorrow.
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