Thank you Smatulewicz,

Yes, the trainer I am going to is married to a dog behaviorist!   I will definitely be working with both of them, per our breeder/trainer.  She is commited  fully to helping me with Kaido.   She feels horrible about what happened, and is just as shocked as I am.    She knows how committed I am to Kaido, and she has a lot of love for Kaido as well.   I am going to have to make sure she is not planning on "hard training" him or "breaking" him.   I am not going to allow that.  I will find another trainer.   She is excellent for obedience, and trained Maybrie to heel, in literally less than 2 minutes. 

Jamie went outside today with Maybrie.   Initially she was cautious around all of our dogs!  Today, she walked outside with me while Maybrie was out there. She still will not go out at all unless I am present, and as pack leader, I want her to know she can trust me to take care of her, but not baby or reinforce her fears by rewarding shy behavior.  I have been successful at being pack leader for Jamie in making her follow me into different rooms...by leash mostly, however, she did run to greet me at the door today!     In the early days, I would bring her water to her, and her food.  She didn't have to move a muscle.  She was terrified and in so much pain.   Initially I babied her and didn't make her go until I thought her bladder was going to burst.  Lately, though, I have been putting a leash on her and making her follow me wherever I go.  Initially she resisted, but very quickly with a slight leash correction, she has begun to follow me willingly all through the house and the backyard with no corrections and with her head and tail held up proudly!   I am trying to build her trust with me again as well.  Imagine, I was supposed to be there to protect her as her pack leader.  I can imagine she doesn't totally trust me.   I have been slowly introducing our other dogs!  She can easily tolerate Katy and Maybrie now.  Still scared to death of Kaido.  I need to have them walk side by side in a pack with me as the leader.  Perhaps that will help.  According to Cesar this reunion should happen right away after a fight.   I don't have to walk Jamie and Kaido for far, but I think perhaps, I should have done this a long time ago, like soon after the incidence.    I must do this this week.  Jamie is almost up to it.   

Thanks again!  You are truly appreciated!

 wow!  DLord! Doggy Prozac!   It's funny you mentioned this because our breeder mentioned Ginseng.  She said that a lady she new gave her dog this med at the dog show because he would be much more mellow and subdued.   It's a natural herb.  I was thinking about doing this when needed!   Apparently it is popular!

I'm sorry that you were reported to animal control.   I know, it's quite sad.  It's the law.  I an an ER nurse, and by law we have to report it.   However, it's ridiculous if you ask me.  I called animal control and verified this was a law an asked if the owners can quarantine.  It is up to the county judge.  In our county, if you own dog bites someone in the family, (excluding a child), you have the option to quarantine your pet yourself.  If it bites someone outside your family, the dog must be taken to quarantine either at the  SPCA or your local vet.   However, there is a case open now in which a lady saught care for her hand, and she was told by police she could quarantine her own animal, but animal control told her that the police don't decide where the animal is quarantined.  She owes 4000.00 fine.  Isn't that just lovely!   The case in going to court!  It's crazy.  It was a little dauchsund bite. Craziness!  

 Therozypoz, Thanks so much for your input.   Thanks for the microchip advice.  Mine both wear collars, but collars break.   I have been afraid of the microchip reactions, so they have not been microchipped.   However, IF Kaido's behavior escalates and cannot be controlled, I will definitely microchip him, AND make SURE I find a PERFECT/FANTASTIC match.......along with mandate those stipulations you mentioned.   PERFECT contract ideas just in case I am unable to handle things.  Right now, I don't think it will come to that.   He is the same Kaido he was prior to attacking, and has shown no desire to run over Maybrie, Katie or other.  He does however, bark violently at Katie to tell her to get away from his kennel, and/or his food.  This I would like to stop. I correct him verbally.  He does not do this with any other dog except Katy and my dad's Golden.   This is not a desirable trait to say the least.

Thanks again!!

Ok, I'm feeling really dumb right now because I had never heard of issues with littermates .

I agree that there is no easy fix.  With Jackie I was looking for a quick fix (the prozac) because of her age and her health had started to decline. The incident happened in May and I lost Jackie in November.

I then ended up adopting Archer a week after Jackie passed and he came to me with issues.  He showed fear towards men and also dog aggression with other dogs (not Zoe). I decided to seek out a trainer/behaviorist right away because I did not want to go down the same road I had just been on with Jackie.

It was not cheap but I took Archer to her twice a week and he would stay there all day.  After about 3 weeks we decided to add Zoe to the mix and see what happens. There was our culprit - he was very possesive of Zoe and that's when he would become dog aggressive - when another dog approached her.  It took about 5 months of her working with him but he's come around very nicely.  Now when they go to daycamp the girls tell me that they each have their own buddies that they play with and they rarely have any issues.  The only time Archer has anger issues is when another dog tries to mount him - he does not tolerate that for one second!

As for the littermate thing - I really hope I'm not going to have any problems!?  They will both be 2 in February.  They play really well together and I have never seen them fight, as a matter of fact they will chew on the same deer antler together at the same time.  I keep them in separate crates, I give them separate cuddle time (Zoe doesn't like this as it's always all about her). I always feed her first and do everything first with her and I have not experienced any issues from Archer by doing this.  Are there things I should be doing to avoid any littermate problems in the future?

I agree it is not a good idea to take littermates.  You would have to be committed to keep them separate so that they bond with you and not each other, and well, unless you have a professional kennel, that is pretty hard to do.  Our neighbor has siblings, not GSPs but English Shephards, and they a pack and very aggressive.  I cannot tell you how many times I walk outside and those dogs are growling and snarling at each other, and many times that results in fights that even the owners have a difficult time breaking up.  Not sure how they live with that.  Neutering them did help some, the fights were a little further apart.  The issue comes in that they will attack any dog.  I am aware of three occasions where they have attacked another dog.  My husband was bit trying to break them up when the shepherd was mauling another neighbor's border collie after the shepard broke through the wooden fence which is between our two yards.  The border collie came away with a rip at the neck and puctures to the face.  In this case thankfully the dogs were picked up by Animal Control, so yes that law about the dogs having to go to quarantine can be a good thing too.  The dogs had not been vaccinated in over 3 years.

I would not jump to the conclusion that this issue is all Kaido's fault.  It is just that Kaido is the bigger dog.  If Jaime was trying to give a correction, Kaido just answered back.  Training needs to be done for both dogs, not just Kaido.  It is very likely to happen again since you state that Jaime is afraid of Kaido . . . no doubt Kaido is going to pick up on this.

 Therozypozy, yes, I also read about the littermate issue after I already had them.   We did not purchase our two together at the same time. They were purchased about 3 months apart, and both are fixed. They are also different genders.   We had some wonderful bonding time with Maybrie in the beginning, and I train both of them separately, as well as together.    I use each of them as a distraction when training the other, and both really listen to me.   When it's  Maybrie's turn,  Kaido tries his best to get Maybrie to play chase with him, and several times she has darted off the other direction, but has quickly returned with a sharp "here" and this is without e-collar training!  Kaido is a bit more stubborn, and yet in many ways is easier to train, and learns SO MUCH FASTER than Maybrie.    I have them kenneled separately, and make both of them eat from their own bowls and correct them when they take food from the other, but there have been NO fights or even hints of fighting between the two.  They have not shown any tendency to fight aggressively which is why this incident perplexed me so much.   Jamie on the other hand HAS started fights, at least 4 times in the last 5 years.    Each time was quickly subdued because we were there, but this time, I think she bit off more than she could chew, if indeed she was the one that started it.    For this reason, and knowing Jamie, I don't want to place all the blame on Kaido, and I would never call him aggressive.   As I mentioned, I would have given anything to have been there when the incident took place.