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09/21/2012 5:21 AM  

As you have seen I have been going through major issues with my significant other's decision to add a dog to his household (when he wasn't prepared). As I have posted, I am working to find what I think would be a better situation for our GSP Jake (fighting in the house is bad, but still needing to correct his mounting behavior ismaking him less desireable to people as new dog). For now we are status quo.

My question is about how many people is too many for taking care of one dog? Currently Jake lives in one house, but during the day is watched by myself (afternoons, with training and walk) or taken for the day by my BF's sister or neices, where he is taken to a small house where there are 4 small dogs inside (yorikies, pommeranian, and some other rat looking thing).

My concern is that with all the moving around, Jake will not be able to find stability and security, and will not be able to establish a safe spot of his own. I am also concerned about bad and colder weather, and the dog having thte option of being outside, or inside a small house with 4 other dogs (and if this goes on, adding a terrier mix to the bunch in december)

I am afraid this will be seen as a permanent solution as it looks like that is what people are thinking. I love the dog too, but being a realist from hell, I am seeing how it may not be in Jakes best interest. Am I crazy or does this set up sound a bit complicated and maybe too much for the dog? Feel free to tell me it's all perfectly fine (I would love if it COULD be a good thing for the dog because I love him). I will say that I also worry about what it might do to the resident dog who is always left at home, out of the mix with the running around, though I always try to walk him and give him time before I take Jake with me. The resident dog is currently away for two weeks at doggie school.

I do get it, we sound like insane people, or like horrible dog owners. I am trying very hard not to be either, and just hoping to be able to find what is best for my big lovie bear Jake, and then convince the small army of other people to think of the dog, not only how much we humans want him with us.

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09/21/2012 6:40 AM  
I am not sure how others will feel on the topic but I have found that dogs do eventually adjust to their situation... some people have busy crazy lives and others stay home all the time... I think that what works for you and your life style the dog will adjust...it will take time though... you will need to let the dogs establish a pecking order of some sort but that doesn't mean allowing the "humping"...

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09/21/2012 6:42 AM  

Let me start by saying I am definitely not an expert on dog training.  What I have found works for me in all the dogs I've own is routine and exercise.

I don't think it really matters how many people are involved in the dogs life.

I work fulltime and a typical routine for my two is as soon as the alarm goes off they go out, when I get out of the shower they get fed, out again in the yard to play for about a half hour, as soon as the kongs come out of the freezer they both go directly to their kennels (I don't even have to tell them to go).  In the afternoon one of the neighbor kids comes over after school and lets them out and plays with them, then they go back in their kennels and she doesn't even have to tell them to. I get home, they are back out again and when they come in they go directly to the closet where I keep the leashes because they know it's walk time. Bedtime is actually quite comical because they know when I go to the pantry it's to to get their cookie and they both take off running for the bedroom. They know the routine pretty well and I think it works for them. This is typical 3 days a week - the other 2 they go to doggie daycare.

In the beginning I had issues with Archer showing some dog aggression, so I took him to a trainer that worked with him around other dogs, this really worked wonders.  I then started taking them to this doggie daycare where they have supervised play with other dogs - this has many benefits, one they are socialized around other dogs in a controlled environment and two they are totally exhausted when they come home (this is probably why they don't mind going in their kennels to rest those 3 days a week ).

Again, as I said before I am not an expert and this is my 1st experience with GSPs but I really think routine is key.

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09/21/2012 8:14 AM  
Thanks for the replies. Right now it is all based on who can do what on a day to day basis, with schedules constantly changing, but I will do what I can to get everyone together and see if a reasonable schedule can be made. It also stands to note that jake has yet to meet the terrier he may be sharing a small space with later, along with the four small dogs, so things may have to change again based on that. For now I feel better knowing that other people have been successful in a juggling act with the dogs. Ultimately I am hoping that a situation can be found before winter, in which the dogs are primarily kept in their home, and people go to them, only taking them out for a special day of fun, and less for the sake of separating or providing constant human watch over one. I don't want to create even worse separation anxiety with jake, as a time will for sure come when everyone is busy and he has to manage more than an hour without his humans lol.

I wil hold out hope that he will have one home base where he can make a comfortable and safe place for himself, but I will try to be less anxious about the constant moving around, so long as we can manage a routine of sorts. I hate the idea of good intentions getting in the way of the true best interests of such a special dog.
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09/21/2012 8:29 AM  

If you are trying to juggle Jake around just for the sake to keep him with humans cuz of separation anxiety then you are going about it all wrong... if SA is an issue then you need a schedule and he needs to learn to be by himself right away... giving him a kennel in the house and making that his safe place... there are meds and soothing scents that help relax dogs with SA...

The most important thing with SA is to not over indulge the dog... you need to be totally laid back... when you come home do not greet the dog, ignore the dog for at least 30 minutes... if the dog is in its kennel do not let it out right away if it is loose in the house simply ignore (though you can let out to go potty)... it is very important that when you come and go you do not talk baby talk to the dog and give it lots of attention and pets, don't say silly things like "watch the house for mommy" "be good dog while I am gone" these things excite the dog and begin the stress of SA...


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09/21/2012 8:36 AM  

I do believe that routine is the key.  If they know what to expect, the are much better dogs.  While it may not matter how many people are in their lives, I do believe they will be more obedience to one particular person who is their caretaker, i.e. the one that feeds them.

If you could set up a routine, no doubt that would make everything easier.   Like dlord said, she does not even have to tell them to go in their kennels because they know they will be let out to play, eat, etc.

Mine are the same way.  When the alarm goes off, they go outside and I fix their food.  They come in, eat, and because I am paranoid about bloat, they go back to laying down for an hour, then I get up, they go for a run with me, then I go to work.  Mine are not in a kennel during the day, they pretty much have run of the house.  Thankfully they are all very good dogs (4 of them).  Then when I get home, they get to out and I prepare their 2nd meal, I fix dinner and eat and then will do some individual training.  Then they are ready for their chews and bed.

They are very content dogs . . . because they know what is next.

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09/21/2012 9:38 AM  
I rescued my last GSP, Sophie, who had significant separation anxiety issues. A couple months after we got her, I had a trip, so I took her, and left her at my sister's house. She didn't sleep at all at night (in spite of having her bed there), chewed many of my nephews toys, and bolted out of the house any chance she got. My sister still will not watch my dogs any more!

Anyways, once I was able to establish a routine with Sophie's training, sleeping, and everything, she was able to adjust just fine. At one point in her life, she would spend up to 11 hours in her crate (due to a job change with me, and subsequent long commutes) without any problem, and would allow my cousin to come over and walk her - even without a leash - during the middle of the day (same exercise schedule at morning and night with me). Of course, she would also need extra snuggling during this time. Her case was extreme during that part of our lives, but the point being - get into a routine, and stay with it. Dogs are creatures of habit (aren't we all?), and they are happier when we are consistent - with obedience, training, and schedules.

It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd
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09/21/2012 9:41 AM  
The morning and evening routine is going well, but during the day he is rarely along for more than a very short period of time, and taken somewhat randomly by various people. I understand leaving him alone and try to work that I on some eleven every time I have him, even if it is just pushing the limits of allowing him to bark in my years while I am upstairs. I will share the info you all have given with everyone and see if we can't all get on the same page, and mak sure it is the right page for jake. I kind of get nervous with so many cooks in the kitchen so to speak, as well as so much indulgence, which admittedly at moments I need to work on as weel. But I also know, that as the significant other in this case, and as "mommy" any consequences of what we all do now, will be on my shoulders in the end to deal with (along with daddy). I love play, i love the dog, but order and sanity go a long way towards a happy home lol
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09/21/2012 9:45 AM  
Routine routine routine, and work on jakes alone time until he is ok with separation at lengths that may be necessary, plus a touch more if possible... Again, thanks for all the input! SA is very much an issue, though it does work better if he is left outside of the kennel, rather than in, but I worry about possible destruction if he gets bored. Been there done that, and there are still doors and window screens that need to be replaced from the springer lol
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09/21/2012 10:31 AM  
He may feel that the kennel not a safe-place. Maybe it was used too much for discipline? Put together a plan. Start with a short amount of time in the kennel, and build-up over the course of a month, or so to whatever time he needs to be in there. It might also help if the crate is nice and cozy. Close it off (we usually use a piece of plywood on top of our wire kennels) if it is not already, and put blankets that he can bundle-up with (we use cheep flannel throws, which seem to not shred as much as more "fluffy" types, but are cheap enough to be thrown away if torn too much). Sadie will now put herself in her kennel if she even senses we will be leaving the house without her. She actually prefers a smaller crate (will even fit herself into the Boston Terrier's kennel if we let her - which is quite funny to see, as she REALLY doesn't fit), over her large one that she sleeps in at night. Again, routine helps. Sadie used to come upstairs at night, and jump into our bed - over time we reduced the time we allowed her to lay in our bed. Now, she walks straight into her kennel. Same thing with mornings after her training, and eating - right upstairs, and straight into the kennel.

It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd
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09/21/2012 10:48 AM  

One other thing with regards to kenneling that might help: Try putting the dog in the crate when not expected (we do it occasionally during TV Time). Call the dog to kennel, put it in, and give it a treat. Close the door, and fiddle with the lock (as if to lock the dog in) but do not lock the kennel. Let Jake open the door, and let himself out. That way, it will not be so traumatic (with doing this over time) for Jake to put himself in the kennel!

Some pictures - it is all fun and games until the boy figures-out that he can still play with her when she is in the kennel!


It is watching the dogs work that I thoroughly enjoy, and love. I could get by with just watching them work - if it weren't for all the training, and the joy they exhibit when they pick-up, and deilver to hand a bird that they pointed, and you shot. - Todd
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09/21/2012 10:50 AM  
Jake goes in fine, and is ok with it as long as there is a human there, but once the human leaves the room he is notto chill lol he has recently started letting us know he is not happy about going into the kennel, but then still goes. If we leave the house, he barks when in the kennel, but seems to chill more if left to roam the house.. Waits about 5 minutes, then of course straight for daddy's bed lol
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09/21/2012 10:50 AM  
Jake goes in fine, and is ok with it as long as there is a human there, but once the human leaves the room he is notto chill lol he has recently started letting us know he is not happy about going into the kennel, but then still goes. If we leave the house, he barks when in the kennel, but seems to chill more if left to roam the house.. Waits about 5 minutes, then of course straight for daddy's bed lol
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09/21/2012 11:32 AM  
I second what was said about crate training... sounds like right now you can get him in and he is fine with you in the room... so now you need to have it where he is in it and you leave the room but he can see you... don't let him out till he is quiet... when he is good with that then leave the room and go out of sight... then where you are outside... you can use benedryl to help with some calming while doing the training or on days where he has to be in the kennel...

I helped my girlfriend train her boxer/lab mix rescue through SA... it takes time but you can do it... the dog isn't perfect but she can now leave her in a crate or loose in the house with out destruction...

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09/22/2012 6:05 AM  
tgatto, love the pics... when we brought home the kennel, my 11 yr old daughter climed right in, she thought it would make a neat club house LOL... WAY back when I was little we had a hot dog that was crated, I used to climb in with her to take naps LOL (well until her bladder kinda went, then it didn't smell so nice for naps anymore HEHE) I miss my hot dog :(
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