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pixie bee

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05/04/2012 11:15 AM
Good article. There is such a thing called Pure Bred. This is established once the gene pool has been closed,TYPE and desired traits have been established. So yes, 100+ years ago the DK (GSP) was established by mixing a few breeds.

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Ayrshire, Scotland

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05/04/2012 11:26 AM
Certainly an interesting article. Certainly backs up the "perceived advantages" element of my thinking.

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Otsego MI

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05/04/2012 1:20 PM
Posted By weerubbertummy on 05/04/2012 10:44 AM Erm, i think i may get torn apart for this question but it's a genuine one borne out of complete ignorance (a common problem with me ) but what is the difference between a "breed" such as a gsp and a "mixed breed" (mutt, mongrel, etc)? Are gsp's not derived from a mixture? Or is the label purely due to the lack of intent (or perceived advantages) of certain mixtures? Honestly, i'm not being cheeky, i'm just genuinely curious. My biggest problem with the 'mixed breeds' is that they have not tried to create TYPE or establish a breed. GSP's--there were many crosses and things thrown in to develop the breed, but eventually a type was established and a breed created. Most of these 'designer' breeds are just a gimmick and people out to make a buck. Very rarely do you ever see a labradoodle bred to a labradoodle; you only see first generation results and only see labs being bred to poodles and that's it. And TYPE? My goodness, no such thing with these dogs....I've seen them looking like what you'd expect to dogs that look like GWP's and dogs that look more like a lab or more like a poodle. Now if they were actually trying to develop a breed from this I would have less of a problem with it. But I do have a problem with people doing first generation crosses and selling them for over $1000.....no regard to temperament, conformation, performance, health, etc......

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05/04/2012 2:37 PM
articles.nydailynews.com/2010-05-05/entertainment/27063591_1_labradoodle-allergy-free-guide-dog This article was brought to my attention recently. Even the "inventor" of these dogs is disappointed in where they have gone, and regrets them becoming "designer" dogs. But I can't tell you how many people insist their labradoodle (or goldendoodle, or maltipoo, or whatever) are purebreds because they have a breed name and they came from a purebred lab and a purebred poodle. Really????

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Connecticut

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05/04/2012 7:13 PM
My fatherinlaw has been talking about getting a Labradoodle. For him a dog like that would work - not too hyper, doesn't shed right? He used to have gsp's and hunted but I don't see him w/ a high energy dog anymore. He's been talking about it for a couple years now - still waiting to see one appear at his house.

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05/04/2012 7:57 PM
But see, that's the problem. Some shed less than others and you never know what you're going to get. I know some people whose labradoodles that she'd long, lab like hairs because they got more "lab" than "doodle". Others got more poodle. So it's a gamble since there is no standard to breed to. And seriously, all dogs shed. Some just shed less than others.

Max2

Oneonta NY

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05/05/2012 5:01 AM
Posted By Terra's Owner on 05/04/2012 9:48 AM My gsp, Bearoff, When I make him sit while I am filling his food dish or waiting on a biscuit, he gets the floor soaked. Oh well. Well............. you gotta cut the little guy some slack that type drool doesn't count

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Splat

Illinois (Northern)

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05/05/2012 5:27 AM
the labradoodle can shed and can by hyper poodles are a hyper breed...we have a neighbor with a standard poodle and it is crazy (could be that it has been trained well too)... as far as hyper-allergenic dogs there is no such thing...the allergy comes from the dander which comes from skin... my friend has kids with major allergies and she has done loads of research on this and has talked with tons of doctors... some breeds tend to work better for some people with allergies than others.... so since my friends kids are huge animal lovers they went with a boston terrier cuz it has short hair which means when you wash it you can easily clean under the hair to the skin and they do wash him often per doctors instructions and absolutley no sleeping in bed with him... also they don't seem too bothered by my dogs they can spend the night over at my house and sleep on the couches where the dogs lay all the time without getting much of a reaction, they do shower right way in the morning to help... allergies are a tricky thing cuz they are not the same for every one... my girlfriend growing up was allergic to cats but was immune to the cat she grew up with... sorry about the allergy rant...but I also hate it when people say they have to get rid of their dogs cuz of allergies... my friend got the dog knowing her kids have bad allergies and they have found ways to make it possible...

kpwlee

Raleigh, NC

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05/07/2012 11:06 AM
Good gracious I have never met a non-hyper lab/poodle or golden/poodle cross. And that's coming from the owner of a HIGH energy borderline nuts dog. It is pure ridiculous that people think a) that all of these dogs are hypo-allergenic (meaning reduced allergenic not NON-allergenic) and the b) all of them don't shed. You know what happens to the ones with the 'wrong' coat? They get euth'd or go into rescues and shelters. Someone sent me a link years ago to a 'doodle' rescue and it was awful, so many dogs all with the 'wrong' coat. The other thing most people don't realize is the vast differences in size Every designer breed mix makes me nuts. I read the classifies last week for the first time in ages and OMG was it sad to see all the 'mutts' being sold as designer breeds. People are idiots at times. Mind you, you wouldn't believe how many people have asked me for Bugsy's breed and would I breed him (he is tall enough to see there is nothing swinging under there so I am very concerned about those people LOL) So terribly sad

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oneal3337

Great Falls, Mt

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05/07/2012 2:11 PM
I've goose hunted over a couple of lab/poodle crosses and they were good dogs. Neither of them were hyper and they bowled over wounded geese like a freight train. They were also friendly and biddable. That being said I'm not a fan of designer dogs and the myriad of problems it causes.

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