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SmylinachaUser is Offline
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01/28/2012 2:05 PM  

Hello,

Well the back yard is totally trashed.  The hay worked well until it snowed and then turned 50 degrees the next day and poured.  It all floated away   The mud  isn't just mud since it freezes and thaws so it's all bumpy from the mutts romping in itand you would easily trip and fall out there.  Right now we have to let them out one at a time or else they will wrestle and tear it all up more.  Went to get more hay for now but we really need to do something this Spring and I'm looking for some ideas. It's about 600 square feet of pure mud and muck.  And it's not just the perimeter - it's the whole thing as they play hard.  The other night Lou had to wash the back of the house and the dogs - huge mess.

I was just reading about rubber mulch but it holds moisture which we don't want and it's pretty expensive.  Looked at astroturf for pets and that costs alot and I really think the dogs would end up tearing it up anyway.  Only other idea is round stone with some patio block for walkways.  Anyone else have any other ideas? Was easy with the snow we had but of course it had to melt and only lasted for 2 days. 

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01/28/2012 3:00 PM  
Gravel? From my understanding, certain types of gravel pack together better than others.

Rose, Casey - GSP, & Peyton - Brittany. (First time dog & GSP owner)
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01/28/2012 3:22 PM  
We're experiencing the same type of situation here from new construction. Our hay has washed out in places, but the builder put down erosion mat, threw down some grass seed and covered it with hay. In the puddling prone areas of our yard, the erosion mat and hay was put down as one piece.

Things still get pretty muddy when it rains, but we don't huge bare patches.

I'd make a trip to the local Home Depot, or call a landscaper and see if they can lay down some mat. I'm not sure there is an all-season type grass seed for your neck of the woods, but there might be something that could grow.

We're going to put sod down where the grass seed hasn't taken come spring. That may be your best bet if you actually want grass in your yard. If not, proper drainage and a couple truckloads of mulch could work quite nicely when paired with a brick patio.

Is your yard flat or contoured?
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01/28/2012 4:03 PM  

 

How about old carpeting? It might work in selected places. You might be able to get it for free if you know someone who is getting new carpet or if you have curbside trash collection. I've nabbed some on the curb when people were throwing it out. The carpeting in the photo below is under a roof so it stays mostly dry.

 


John (human), Bearoff (gsp), Jenny (Plott), Sunshine (Heinz57 rip 11/4/2010), Terra (missing but still in my heart)
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01/28/2012 4:04 PM  

I gave up on grass along time ago after sodding the yard 2 times. I have put in crushed granite around the patio and house and river bed gravel in the paths around the trees. Under the trees I use cedar mulch. I tried gravel around the house, but when the dogs ran through it they through it up and it sounded like a machine gun with the rocks hitting the house and windows. I was afraid it would break a window. The crushed granite packs down hard and it nice, but I have had to add some in in the really low areas from time to time. The mulch I usually add to once a year. The gravel is I have to rake back in places from time to time. Crushed granite down here is not too expensive, but we have granite quarries in Central TX too. On the plus side the different ground covers in my backyard have really toughened up the dogs feet.  I have a slopping yard and all the ground covers drain well.

Be careful with carpet, mine love to shred it and they could even eat some. It will also rot on you very fast.


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01/28/2012 8:06 PM  
One thing I've noticed in doing research...there are very few garden/yard books that have ideas for the active dog friendly yard. We haven't turned Patch loose in our yard yet...she loves to play with the erosion mat and carry the straw around, so I'm sure we'll have to adjust our yard plans once we see how she effects the topography.
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01/28/2012 9:13 PM  

 I used allot of hardy native plants and watched the paths the dogs took and do not plant anything along their routes.  I also have one flower bed with azzaleas and I put a short 3 foot fence around it. It doesn't keep the dogs out, but it does keep them from running break neck through it so they don't damage the bushes or the flowers when they bloom.

This shows the 3 foot fence around my azzaleas:

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And another angle:

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I also put an area out in the back corner of they yard where the dogs can dig and they do use that area most of the time, but once in a while when they are after a critter like a mouse or rat they will dig up an area trying to get to it.  I also had rain gutters on the back of my house with down drains.  I am moving the down drains outside the fenced area because rats will from time to time get into those down spouts and when they do the dogs go nuts.  They have actually pulled one off the house.  I was lucky it didn't pull the gutter down too. 

The other thing I am changing is I am putting in better drainage in my low area so the water runs off and doesn't pool.  My lawn furniture is sturdy wood adirondack chairs and a nice heavy wood table with a granite top.  The dogs climb all over the furniture, but I just wash it and oil the wood and it looks like new each spring/summer.  My yard isn't as pretty as it used to be, but it is not too bad considering I have 4 goofballs running through it all the time.  The other thing you have to watch is shorthairs love to prune any potted plants and they will also dump the plants out of the pots and chew up the pots if they are plastic.  I now use crock pots and usually big ones so they can't tip them over.   Also plants that are tree like some shorthairs will prune. My boy Ringo loves to prune.
 
Ringo's pruning job:
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This is the mulch area under some of my trees:
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In this picture you can see the gravel path in front of the kennel, one of the mulch areas under the trees and the crushed granite area in the foreground. And that is Ringo laying on top of the dog pool. I had it flipped over because I had cleaned it and hadn't refilled it yet.
 
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And a better shot of the crushed granite area:
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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01/29/2012 5:45 AM  
I say the crushed granite or limestone....


http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/4genview.php?id=2553
http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/4genview.php?id=2554
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01/29/2012 11:30 AM  
Lol, that's quite the pruning Job that Ringo did! Nice azaleas.

Rose, Casey - GSP, & Peyton - Brittany. (First time dog & GSP owner)
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01/29/2012 2:32 PM  

OK, I am going to look up what an erosion mat is.  I like the idea of crushed granite too.  I didn't see too many dog friendly yards when looking online.  Too hard to lay all that stone ourselves so we'll have to get a landscaper.  Well we have a few months of crummy weather to go.  I would have been a happy camper if it snowed as much as it did last year!  Normally March is the bad month that is always wet and soggy but it's been this way all year long.  The carpet looks good but my dogs will shred it.  And Bev your yard is gorgeous!  I don't have a green thumb and no time for gardening as I never know when I'll get home from work but it sure is pretty!  I even drove to a school today to check out their soccer field which was totally fenced in.... but they put a lock on the fence :(  So we cut the backyard up for now - going to be that way until April when we can fix it - they don't have much room back there anymore but it was getting way too damaged.  Lou put up some orange fencing and beyond that in the first pic we will find a hardy grass to grow - if they tear it up, they tear it up and the other pic with the fencing is a total swimming pool when it rains now and Windsor is digging up the insulation by the foundation over there.  They need to be supervised when let out with this orange fence but so far so good.  Feel bad they can't run like they used to cuz they like to romp hard.  But once April hits and hopefully we'll get some dry days, we'll probably stone everything but the grassy area we want to do and get some patio block but I'm still going to check out those erosion mats.  Here's what it looks like now - YUCK.  It's embarrassing!



 

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01/29/2012 6:42 PM  

All of the ideas mentioned are good ones. Heres a few other ideas. Straw erosion matting is good. The straw mats sometimes have biodegradeable plastic woven through . This is used as a blanket over seed . I don't like the plastic . The dogs would have it destroyed . Landscape fabric will cover the mud and you can mulch over it. Down side is the mulch will slip and slide around , The cedar mulch would help with that as well as make it deep. or get a load of single shreaded hardwood. Les expensive and will last two years instead of one .  If you can get pine needle mulch that would be nice. Not easy to get up north.

I like the ground cover winter creeper . Its under used . Here is a Google page about it.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=wintercreeper+ground+cover&gbv=2&oq=wintercreeper&aq=3s&aqi=g2g-s2g4g-m2&aql=&gs_sm=c&gs_upl=2200l5679l0l9262l13l12l0l0l0l0l546l2013l2-1.1.2.1l5l0

You want the one that turns purple in the winter . Stay away from the verigated . They take forever to get any coverage . I've seen the wintercreeper grow three feet in a season. Once its established it can be trimmed down to 4 inches high durring the summer with a weed eater. The deer will eat it so it has to be inside a fence . Its fabulous as a perimeter around wire fencing. say about five feet inward. In five years it will fill in the fence and the ground nicely and you can keep the fence  trimed with a hedge trimmer once a season. It makes a green room . You can get fancy and make windows if you want  Usually just putting it on three sides is enough. I'll try to take a picture of mine. The dogs love to go in the ground cover and you never have to pick up after them . So ...you have your perimeter of ground cover . You can make a square area or any shape for that matter in each corner with stone or bluestone slabs. I love the big pieces of tumbled blue stone. Pricey though . Lowes has the plastic forms that you can pour cement into and make Faux stone paths . You can group them in any form you want. Great for low budget .

T belle beautiful garden! and nice combination of ground coverings.  

 

I had Hanna in a small asparagus garden I was finally cutting back for the winter. She was chewing away at the dead stalks and I let her. I wonder if I can get her to point voles out  and then  get them on command.

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01/29/2012 8:54 PM  
Here's the stuff we have covering our yard:

http://www.strawblanket.com/prod01.php

And you're right, there aren't many plans out there for a dog friendly yard. Most of what I've found involves either a pool, or a lot of stone. Unfortunately neither a great options for our back yard, as we've got a decent hill...

What kind of fencing are you using? We could use something like that to create a dog run.
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01/30/2012 7:24 PM  

Thanks for all the replies!  The winter creeper is so pretty but it would be trampled on and eaten I think.  I just sent the link to the straw blanket to my husband - how long would that last with 2 gsp's - I am noticing they are pushing the hay all over the place tonight.

We have a deer fence.  Cost 1/2 of what a black chain link fence would have cost us and it's not as visible so it's not an eye sore in the back yard.  We got it from www.britainfence.com - he's local but he has pics that shows the deer fencing that he does - 8 feet tall.  We have the hexagon metal core mesh one.

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01/31/2012 4:45 AM  
A friend of our uses mulch. Buys it buy the truck load cheap. Top soil and stone companies should also sell mulch - check around, you can get some good deals.


"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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02/01/2012 5:15 AM  

I have a small area of grass in the yard, about 75'x200' and after two years of two GSP's it is trashed. I am going to do something this spring and was looking into Artificial Turf. I don't see a lot of people using it though. It requires a bed of crushed stone so I may start there and add the turf later. Mine are not diggers unless after a creature but one does kick up quite a bit after a good poo.

If anyone is using artificial turf, does it hold up to the dogs?


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02/01/2012 5:24 AM  
It's my experience that nothing kills weeds -

why don't you guys plant weeds?????

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02/01/2012 7:44 AM  
pixie - I had poison oak in my backyard, and I was having a devil of a time getting rid of it, then along came some shorthairs. I don't have poison oak anymore.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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02/01/2012 1:41 PM  
My dogs will just eat or trample the weeds but that part is fine by me!
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02/02/2012 5:01 AM  
Probably the best solution is laying stone on top. Don't get too fine a stone b/c it will turn to mush.
On our property in our drive way we did this to stop the muddy mess. A ton of stone would probably do the trick - this should cost a few hundred bucks, altho it could be more in CT,but don't see why.


"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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02/02/2012 5:20 AM  
I am not 100% sure but some of the mulch material contain toxin's that could be harmful & I have also heard rumor about the bagged mulch containing other
goodies like termites. Depending upon where it comes from. Perhaps research with a paving contractor to find out about different base materials they use. You
may be able to use something like that.

Chris
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