My3Babies
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| 01/25/2012 11:51 AM |
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I work in animal rescue so my vet called me this weekend when they were asked to euthanize a 10 month old GSP mix with severe separation anxiety. According to the vet the owner had adopted him from the Humane Society 3 months ago. They had tried giving him xanax a few times before leaving him alone and took him to obedience class, but he had not improved and destroyed a lot of stuff so, they were no longer willing to with him. 
I picked him up on Sunday and he is an absolute sweetheart with LOTS of energy. He does have some fractured teeth that I believe are from trying to get out of a crate. I am assuming that some of his separation anxiety/destruction is pent up energy. I started him on a physical and mental exercise program and he is doing well. However, we have not left him alone yet. He will not go within 10 ft of a crate without showing signs of stress, so we are slowly reintroducing it to him.
I noticed on Monday that he was limping a little, but he had slipped on our snowy deck stairs on Sunday night, so I just kept an eye on it. With the increased exercise the limp got worse. We went to the vet yesterday and found out he has Hip Dysplasia and will need surgery.
They gave us two options TPO surgery ($2000) or FHO surgery ($200). I am doing research, but I want to make sure we make the best decision for him. Due to his separation anxiety and high energy level he is going to need a home where he will have TONS of exercise. I want to make sure that whatever surgery we choose will allow him to maintain very high level of activity and not cause a problem for the family that adopts him.
My biggest concern is the recovery and his mental health. The TPO surgery will require very strict rest with lots of crating for 8 weeks and then slowy returning to normal. The FHO surgery requires 2 weeks of rest with short walks and then they encourage activity.
I still have lots of reading to do, but I am completely overwhelmed with making this decision. I am terrified that we will do the $2000 surgery (TPO) and we will not be able to keep him calm enough and it will not be successful or he will literally lose his mind. Or we will do the $200 surgery (FHO) and he will not be able to tolerate the extremely active lifestyle that he will require to remain sane.
I would love advice from people who understand the needs of this highly active breed. Has anyone gone through the TPO or FHO surgery with a GSP?
Any advice is greatly appreciated! |
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weerubbertummy Ayrshire, Scotland
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| 01/25/2012 1:08 PM |
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Jeez, it's such a crazy situation you are in with this poor dog. I dont know much about the different surgery options, although i have a little experience of living with older dogs with hip dysplasia, and living with high energy dogs. I think the main problem is that fact that its such a young dog and at such an important time of his life. I appreciate that you are maybe unable to keep him company yourself all day, but are there any people you can ask to help keep him company all day, at least to remove the separation anxiety problem from the equation until the surgery and recovery are both done? I understand he still needs exercise to help with the extra energy but unfortunately it seems that will be a prob regardless of which surgery you opt for. Would some mental tasks maybe help with this to a certain extent? Would hydrotherapy be an option if there was funding available? Sorry i cant actually provide any practical help from here x |
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Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx |
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My3Babies
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| 01/25/2012 1:44 PM |
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Thanks for the response. I live with my sister and there is almost always someone home. We would have to limit social activities, but could probably arrange for a pet sitter or volunteer if we are both going to be gone. It would be very difficult to do this for 8 + weeks, but we will do whatever is best for him. When we are awake, we can keep him on a leash and make sure he does not move much, but what about when we sleep? I am affraid he with thrash, dig, chew on his stitches, break teeth, etc. if we try to crate him. (I realize we would have to put a cone on him, but I would worry he would get it off) Do you think an already anxious, high energy dog can handle 8 weeks of inactivity? I think 2 weeks with limited exercise is managable, but I am worried that the FHO surgery may be the quick fix and not the best thing for him. (I just don't have enough information.) The vet believes that the FHO surgery is suitable and he will still be able to run 8 miles a day or whatever is necessary to keep him happy. Right now we use treat dispensing toys (bob-a-lot and buster cube), obedience commands, and other mind stimulating activities, to make him work for his food, but he won't even be able to do that while recovering. I will have to look into the hydrotherapy. Maybe he could start that sooner than regular activity. |
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weerubbertummy Ayrshire, Scotland
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| 01/25/2012 2:04 PM |
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If it's any help i'll tell you about our wee gsp girl Kintra. She was forced into a routine pretty early in her life. We wanted a dog but werent comfortable with the idea of leaving one at home all day, purely because our working hours were a little unpredictable, so we only took on our girl based on her going into work with my other half every day. For that reason she was never actually in the position to experience separation anxiety - lucky us, and lucky her, not everyone is lucky enough to take their dog to work! The reason i'm telling you this is that she although she was a wild pup, and it wasnt necessarily the ideal situation, she was forced into a routine, and very quickly realised that the most exciting part of her day was before and after work, and ended up settling down for the duration of my other halfs working day. His job is mainly office-based, although because she loved people so much she benefitted from greeting customers and playing with his colleagues in the warehouse (she loved climbing on the pallets :0). Basically, she realised early that he was having to concentrate on other things for the majority of the day and so she settled, knowing that i would throw a party for her when she came home. Basically, i cant help but wonder if your lad will maybe adjust to being forced into limited exercise as long as he has company of some sort. I know it will be extremely difficult, but maybe he'll surprise you and adjust to it - if he has company of some sort. |
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Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx |
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kpwlee Raleigh, NC
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| 01/25/2012 4:40 PM |
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First thank you for taking him in and trying to help him!! Second if you haven't found this site - check it out and post your situation there - they were very helpful when I had to help my dog through a TPLO (knee surgery) http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/orthodogs/ The majority are knee issues but they have plenty of people going through HD surgery too. Although my dog's inactivity indueced 'SA' isn't anything like you are dealing with it was the the hardest part of recovery and took the longest to work through afterward. He literally MUST exercise for his mental health so when he could only do leashed potty walks he got super anxious in a hurry. I moved him almost entirely to raw meals to keep him more occupied than kibble in a bowl. I did simple things like scent discrimination, toy identification etc As for the chewing of stitches that is what the cone of shame is for LOL The pain killers and tranquilizers helped some and although I hated using them I recognized it had to be done in order for him to heal Hydrotherapy is good (we started asap - again for his brain more than his body) as the water reduces the amount of weight bearing they do. I would also encourage you to speak to a couple of vets/orthosurgeons/rehab vets before deciding. I went to a surgeon for the xrays to make sure they were done properly - the quality of the xray means EVERYTHING. I learned that poor xrays can make a fine dog look like it has HD and an HD dog look fine. Once I knew I had good xrays I just called some other surgeons and the rehab vets to ask their opinion, all were happy to discuss the options. Once again thank you so much for taking this on and please give him a belly rub for me! |
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My3Babies
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| 01/25/2012 11:18 PM |
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Thanks for the replies. I joined the Ortho Dog yahoo group and I am just waiting on confirmation. Thank you for that information. I can use all the resources and advice that I can get. I have read a couple articles about the importance of quality xrays and I will have to get a copy of Abe's. I really trust my vet and no matter what surgery we choose, they will give us a discount, but I will definitely look into a second opinion.
Kpwlee ~ I know it may be different for TPO vs TPLO, but how soon after the TPLO surgery were you able to start Hydrotherapy with your dog?
Here are a couple pictures of my foster puppy, Abe.


Abe with my dog Jackie and my sister's cat Thomas

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gsp-fan AZ
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| 01/26/2012 4:54 AM |
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There was a discussion (well a couple) about TPLO over on the gundogforum.com that you might want to check. If you search for TPLO it will bring up info and websites people have given. There is also a vet that is a member that gives some great info. |
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Splat Illinois (Northern)
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| 01/26/2012 5:40 AM |
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I can't add to much but wow you are amazing to take this on! As for at night you can still use the leash...I have done it when I was watching my friend's dog that has separation anxiety...I was worried she would ruin my house looking for her mommy...I just put my arm through the leash end hand hold hoop and I had to sleep on my side but I normally do any way.... My friends dog has broken teeth from trying to get out of the crate and she can not have any blankets in with her cuz she will shred them...I helped my friend get her dog to the point where she will go into her cage, we reinforced it so she couldn't get it open and we got her to where she doesn't try too much to get out...she does drool alot and will paw some...she will not eat anything you put in there except of course the blankets she shreds so no bedding...my friend's vet did give the dog some medicine (not sure what) that eventually she got weened off of.... |
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kpwlee Raleigh, NC
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| 01/26/2012 7:02 AM |
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Oh Abe you are adorable!!!! As are your cuddle buddies! Bugsy started rehab the day his staples came out (day 10 I think). His first hydrotherapy session was two days later. This is VERY early even for TPLO's but the surgeon gave us the clearance to do so as did the rehab vet upon his evaluation. Bugsy is a very muscular dog and I think that helped us get the approvals. The surgeon picked up on Bugsy's energy/anxiety balance upon meeting him LOL. I think he realized that he was at greater danger of injuring himself if he didn't get to release some energy than from guided exercise. Thinking back now I can't say it was easy to safely get him to and from the rehab center - not because he was difficult to move but because he got so excited and would try to jump over the ramp to the car and wanted to run everywhere. A thought I just had now is that perhaps getting him in some hydrotherapy now or doing gentle leash walks now would really help his recovery. The better the muscle development the better and safer recovery! |
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My3Babies
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| 01/26/2012 12:32 PM |
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Thanks everyone! I knew we were taking on a huge challenge with the separation anxitey, but I couldn't let a 10 month old puppy be euthanized. I had no idea he needed surgery, but that comes with rescue, and once I have committed to an animal, I will do whatever is neccessary to give them the best possible life. I learn something new with every animal we take in, but I am going to learn a lot from Abe. It is a good thing he is SO cute. 
I appreciate any support, advice, and information. I have been reading as many posts, blogs, articles, etc, that I can find. I have made a list of questions for my vet and I am currently waiting for her to call me back. Once my questions are answered we will still need to meet with the orthopedic surgeon for his evaluation, but I am hoping we can get him into surgery as soon as possible. Despite pain medication, Abe is hurting, and I feel so bad for him.
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Willowglen Fort Collins, CO
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| 01/26/2012 3:24 PM |
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Have you considered buying an x-pen or plastic baby pen? I bought one for my girl when she was a puppy so that I wouldn't have to supervise all the time and could put her in it when I needed to cook or do stuff around the house. I used the same pen when my boy had his gastropexy and was on exercise restrictions. Both of my dogs are crate trained, but this allowed them a bit more room while also not being able to jump on furniture or race around the house. When Jasper had his surgery, I placed a comfy dog bed and used the blow up collar so he could lay his head down and sleep comfortably (he hated the cone of shame). Just a thought. I also have mix breed who has separation anxiety and she would break out of a kennel. We have since put her on Prozac which has helped immensely and she now sleeps in a kennel every night. Meds are not always the solution for separation anxiety, but it may help him get through the healing period where he needs to be quiet and then you can wean him off of them and start behavior modification. Just know that it takes about 4 weeks before you will see the meds start to work. Best of luck and thanks for rescuing this boy!!! He's a cutie  |
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Christine Willow Glen GSPs & Weimaraners www.willowglengsp.com
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vnrose53
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| 01/26/2012 5:15 PM |
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I like the blow-up collars too--they seem less frightening because they don't clunk into walls and tables.
Abe is a beautiful boy and I wish you both the best! |
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Max2 Oneonta NY
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| 01/26/2012 5:40 PM |
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He look's like a very nice young man & seem's to get along well with other's. Nice looking dog . Good Luck with evrything ! |
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stlbirddogs Near St. Louis, Missouri
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| 01/26/2012 7:03 PM |
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We had a Lab that had a total hip replacement at 2 years old. This was back when the surgery was still experimental and much cheaper than it is now. The available options at that time were total hip or FHO. Not sure how much it has changed but if I remember right, the odds for a good recovery for larger, active dogs with the FHO were not all that great. The vets we talked to did not recommend it for younger, active dogs and said that once it was done if it didn't work there were no other options.
Sorry, don't have any info on the TPO, it was not an option back then. |
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unowhoandwhy Middleofnowhere, NH
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| 01/26/2012 9:03 PM |
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Bless you for taking him in & caring for him! I don't know anything about either surgery, but I do have a dog who was a puppy mill puppy and to this day won't go into an enclosed space because he is so terrified of being crated. I tried crate training him, but finally decided it was safer & healthier for both of us to just puppy-proof my house instead. I set up a little pen in my room that he slept in until he was older and he was fine from then on. Your little guy may just need a good routine and a safe non-enclosed space. There are also a lot of dog games & puzzles to stimulate their brain when they can't get out for exercise. Good luck! |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 01/26/2012 10:49 PM |
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| What a handsome boy and such a sad story. He is very lucky he found you. I can't help you much with your decision on the choice of treatment as I have not had to make that decision myself. However I do understand about a dog that can't do the crate. My oldest girl is claustrophobic and goes nuts in tight quarters and has also broken out of some heavy duty wire crates. She had to have shoulder surgery many years ago when she was about 8 months old and it was hard to keep her quiet, but I did it. I barricaded the furniture with boxes so she couldn't jump up on it and closed all the doors in the house so she couldn't get to running. When I had to leave I shut her in a smaller bedroom that had nothing she could jump on. The difference is she did not have separation anxiety, so that makes your situation tougher. There are a number of drug or herbal remedies you could try, but I would try them before the surgery because sometimes the drugs or herbs work in reverse which may have been what happened with the xanax. Talk to your vet about the options and then try a few. If you had the time and he could be exercised I would suggest you try to work him through the separation anxiety before the surgery, but that will be a challenge because he is young and you can't use exercise to help him. As far as the cones, just recently one of my girls had to have surgery for some cysts and she had to wear a cone. The vet gave me one that was clear which allowed her to see around when she had the cone on. It worked well and she adapted to it quickly and didn't fight it like she had the opaque cones. I used a nylon adjustable collar to keep it on her. So see if your vet has the clear cones and if not ask if they can get one. Otherwise the neck collars suggested above might work well. The other thing that I found with Belle when she had her shoulder surgery was she learned the routine really fast and was actually pretty cooperative. I also did hydrotherapy with her as well as laser therapy. Good luck with your pup, he is a handsome boy. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
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My3Babies
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| 01/29/2012 11:46 PM |
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Thanks everyone for the kind words, support, and suggestions. Sorry for my delayed response. My computer crashed and I have been without one for the last few days.
After tons of research and reviewing my questions with the vet, we have decided that Abe will have the TPO surgery on Wednesday. Stlbirddogs ~ I had found the same information as you mentioned. The FHO surgery does not have a good success rate for large breed active dogs and once you remove the head of the Femor, there is no going back.
We do have both an Xpen and a Superyard that we will use to keep him limited to certain areas of the house and we will need to have someone with him at all times. I really hope we can find someone to "babysit" him once in awhile or I might go a little stir crazy.
We have started him on Prozac and I am hoping this will help keep him a little calmer while he is recovering. (Although it will take awhile to kick in)
I will definitely get a blow up and/or clear cone that he can wear when needed.
I will keep you posted on Abe's progress, in case anyone is interested.
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Doglover
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| 01/30/2012 3:02 AM |
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| Firstly I am so glad that there are still such wonderfull people as you ouh there. Thank you for taking this puppy in and caring for him. Secondly he is adorable and you've had me in tears reading about your dilemma. I have unfortunately no advice to give you as I have never had to deal with a situation like this, but I just wanted to wish you luck and thank you for what you are doing! |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 01/30/2012 9:10 AM |
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| I think you are making a smart decision and truly admire you for taking in this pup and working so hard to do the right thing. Eight weeks seems like an eternity, but it can be done. I had to do it with Belle when she was 7 months old, the only difference was she tore a bicep tendon. Look into swimming/hydrotherapy after the surgery when the vet says it is ok. Belle loved it and it really helped build her shoulder back up quickly. He also has a better chance because he is young and in good shape and not overweight. Hang in there and when you think you need to talk and need suggestions for keeping the pup entertained, just ping use. We are pretty resourceful at coming up with good suggestions. Good luck to the both of you. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
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kpwlee Raleigh, NC
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| 01/30/2012 9:14 AM |
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"I will keep you posted on Abe's progress, in case anyone is interested." Please do!!! Thank you again for taking him and this on - I know that down the road when he's your bestest buddy in the world and happily trotting along you'll be so glad you did the surgery and helped him through it all. |
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It's Bugsy's world... http://dailyzoomie.blogspot.com/ |
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