Ryder's Mom Germantown, MD
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| 12/02/2011 6:10 PM |
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We just started going to the dog park. A very frequent attender is a young (20's) girl with her pitbull. It may be a mix of some sort because it is larger than most pitbulls I have seen. In general, it plays very rough, but does not pose a problem. It usually stays with the big dogs.
Ryder was standing next to me, sniffing another 4 month old puppy about his size,as three of the larger dogs ran past us in heated play. This huge pit mix stopped dead in his tracks, the hair when up on his back, and he charged Ryder. It happened so quickly that I couldn't react.
He proceeded to grab Ryder by his neck and drag him 30 feet across the dog park. I somehow managed to stay calm and picked Ryder up. The pit let go when I got to them. No whining or reaction by Ryder. He just froze, but was shivering in my arms. The pit then started charging me and jumping up my back, biting at Ryder. This whole event was full of growling by the pit.
Finally, a man at the park grabbed the pit by the collar and pulled him off us. The owner never did anything. She simply said, "Yeah, Marley just like collars. Your dog is timid. he'll figure it out eventually." We left of course and her dog proceeded the rough play.
I realize that Ryder is young, but this is ridiculous. The dog apparently has had the police called on it and the police haven't done a thing.
This happened yesterday, Ryder has been fine. Upon examination this evening, I noticed a streak of missing hair behind his ear. That led me to check him further and I came across two other simliar bite marks along his neck and one puncture wound under his collar.
Am I wrong for being bothered with this owner? What do I do about his bite mark besides put antiseptic on it (it is still oozing blood a day later)? Should I even go back to the dog park? |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 12/02/2011 6:36 PM |
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This is why I never go to dog parks. Unfortunately they tend to draw the bad apples who ruin it for everyone. If Ryder is doing ok, I would just treat the bites with antibiotic ointment. If it isn't better on Monday, take him in to the vet. You may have to do some work with Ryder to get him over the experience, but I wouldn't worry about that right now. I think I would also call and file a report with the police on the dog. Do you know the owners name and the dogs name? If not, can you get it? I would file a complaint in any case just so it is on the record. They may not do anything about your situation, but if the dog ever attacks a person it will go to showing a history with the dog. Poor Ryder, give him hugs from me. Poor baby! |
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therozypozy
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| 12/02/2011 7:03 PM |
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I am so sorry to read this about Ryder . . . definitely report it even if nothing seems to happen with this report, you never know what this dog might do to someone else.
Like Bev, I never go to the dog park, not so much because of the other dogs, but other not so smart owners (I would like to use the word stupid, but my mother always got on to me abou that!). |
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Willowglen Fort Collins, CO
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| 12/02/2011 7:11 PM |
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I'm with Bev and Roz. I never take my dogs to the dog park because I can't handle the stupid owners. I just finished listening to a friend of mine who was upset because one of her huskies got attacked by another husky at the dog park. The other reason I stay away from them is that there is no control over the spread of disease. One of the two in my town is notorious for causing dogs to get sick. If you are wanting to get Ryder socialized to multiple dogs of all sizes and breeds and don't have the friends to help, I recommend doggie daycare. I worked at one for a few years and all the play is supervised, introductions are done gradually, and for the most part, the people working there know how to read dog behavior and anticipate a problem before it happens. Hugs to Ryder and best of luck! |
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sheilak Rocklin, CA
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| 12/02/2011 8:36 PM |
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I cannot believe the "tude" of that Stupid girl!!!! So many inconsiderate people these days. Yes, I would be Very upset if that happened to my dog. I don't go to dog parks either, Wendy plays at a doggie day care. You just never know what kind of weirdos are out there with their dogs. Very sad. Huggs to poor Ryder.
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Rose
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| 12/02/2011 11:36 PM |
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I have learned the hard way to avoid dog parks.
You might be able to trust your dog, but how can you trust another dog. Mind you, other people.
Way too many bad experiences for me.
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weerubbertummy Ayrshire, Scotland
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| 12/03/2011 2:39 AM |
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That's absolutely shocking!! Definately report it. Would they maybe take it more seriously if you point out that the dog was actually harrassing YOU to get to your pup? I would maybe push that side of things.
I know of people with those breeds of "dangerous" dogs who understand the breed and are responsible, unfortunately i think they are the minority - most buy them as a status symbol and become cocky and overconfident because the dog becomes a bully when "playing" with other dogs and have no regard for other people and their well behaved dogs.
I think you should report it to satisfy yourself, avoid that dogpark, draw a line under the experience, and concentrate on it not becoming an issue for Ryder.
I'm ssoooooo angry for you (but well done for being so calm and not freaking out - that has probably helped Ryder in the first instance). |
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Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx |
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Splat Illinois (Northern)
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| 12/03/2011 6:46 AM |
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Dog parks can be very dangerous...so glad Ryder isn't worst off...it makes me so mad that people give these dogs such a bad rap... as for the puncture wound...it needs to be kept clean, if you keep it too moist with too much ointments it won't close up but as it does start to close and dry up then you need to keep it moist with ointments...it is a vicious cycle...for puncture wounds you don't stitch up then have to drain... |
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weerubbertummy Ayrshire, Scotland
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| 12/03/2011 7:12 AM |
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You're so right, Splat! There seems to be so many breeds get labelled because of their idiot owners. Makes me wonder if one day all dogs in general will be banned from all public places because of people buying them for the wrong reasons and not training them to behave in an acceptable manner. |
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Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx |
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rebelyell Iowa
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| 12/03/2011 10:14 AM |
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This subject hits a nerve with me....CLUELESS DOG OWNERS!!!! to put it nice....from past experience at dog parks...I stay away now and would recommend everyone else to also!! It only takes one time...to end up with serious injuries. I agree 100%... Definitely report this dog and owner. If you do not know owners name...keep going back by yourself until you see the girl again...get her license plate # if you cant get a name...call police...and anyone else in charge of dog park. Someone is going to get seriously hurt or killed by this dog if allowed to continue. I would not return to the dog park, unless that is your ONLY option to run your dog in an enclosed area. If you have to return with you dog and see the pitbull again...LEAVE!! But before you leave, put your dog in car and DO NOT be shy about this dog....be very vocal to the owner and others that this dog is dangerous!!! Let everyone else know what this dog is like!!! Your dog can become very dog aggressive if it continues to get attacked. Actually one episode like what happened to your dog can be irreversible!!! Your dog did not react because it was proabably in shock! Our local dog park makes everyone register their dog, prove it has had its shots, and we re-register every year. While this is nice, is still does not prevent BAD OWNERS. Rules state...NO AGGRESSIVE DOGS allowed...well you would not believe the people that show up with dog aggressive dogs!! Absolutely ridiculious. They just actually stand there when their dog is being aggresive to others.....because it is NOT their dog getting attacked!!!!! Their dog is not getting hurt!!! Our park rules have us call the police...they come and make dog and owner leave...then the organization that runs the place bans them. But that is not until something bad has happened first!!! I am so thankful for you that this did not turn out worse for you or your dog. You can read all over the internet where dogs are killed at dog parks! Keep an eye on the cut in case the other dog did not have shots...or it gets infected. Only time will tell the impact this horrible incident had on your puppy!! I hope for yours and your dogs sake...it does not have a lasting impression..but I bet it will |
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Jolene -- Rebel (GSP 2010) -- Shila (GSP 1988-2006 17 1/2 wonderful yrs ) "There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face." -Ben Williams
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kpwlee Raleigh, NC
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| 12/03/2011 10:39 AM |
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Count me as another that doesn't go to dog parks. There are some that are member only and I have heard good things about those type. But the ones that are just wide open IMHO encourage poor owners because instead of exercising their dogs they tend to just take them to the dog park and let them loose while they are on the phone paying no attention to their dogs. If you are trying to find places to socialize him I would look for playgroups or check on Meetup.com for groups that walk together or organize events. Or puppy classes which sometimes can evolve into playgroups. I am super, super glad that Ryder seems OK. Keep your eye on the physical wounds and I would make sure you keep him meeting KNOWN dogs so he doesn't associate dogs with something negative. |
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Ryder's Mom Germantown, MD
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| 12/03/2011 2:20 PM |
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Thank you for the words of support. I keep just randomly thinking of the incident and getting angry all over again, both at myself and the other owner. It is my fault for taking him there at all. I just thought because you are required to register for the park that it would be ok. I will not be returning to any dog park again.
I only took him to the dog park so he could get some dog socialization because he gets plenty of exercise on our daily walks, at the field while I coach, and the during the new training I've introduced. He gets to see my boyfriend's parent's 13 year old Boston Terrier on nearly a daily basis, but that dog is only 17lbs and can't take Ryder's 30lbs puppy energy. I knew nothing about play groups or any of the other things you've listed, thank you for making me aware.
In regards to reporting it: I found out as I was leaving that the police had been called only an hour before we got there because that same dog's "rough play" led to a golden retriever being bit and the golden's elderly female owner to be knocked to the ground. This STUPID pit owner still did not leave and the STUPID police arrived on the scene and did nothing. They did not even make the girl leave or offer to have the limping elderly woman checked out. We apparently arrived a mere 10 minutes after the police had left and look what happened.
This dog has apparently been reported many times previously, and the police have the had the same reaction. They list the dog as one who is big and plays rough, but not aggressive. So I don't see how our incident will make a difference to the police. I just know that I can keep Ryder safe by not returning and I can pray that the pit doesn't seriously injure or kill someone else's dog. I feel helpless to do anything more than that. |
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Ryder's Mom Germantown, MD
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| 12/03/2011 2:25 PM |
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rebelyell: After reading your post and realizing how ignorant I was about the dangers of dog parks, I feel like the clueless dog owner. I am so upset with myself.  |
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everbell Kanata, ON
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| 12/03/2011 3:15 PM |
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| I find the earlier we go the better .. For instance we were out at 7 this am in -8C. Only truly dedicated dog owners seem to be out at that time. The lazy a$$ bad owners seem to drift in later. That being said, I still prefer to take the dogs off leash in the woods rather than the dog park for all the reasons described above. |
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flygirl Muncy, PA
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| 12/03/2011 3:17 PM |
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| Report the dog/owner and get an incident number from the police. This dog is going to turn on a human someday and these events have to be documented. Don't be upset with yourself. Be upset with the CLUELESS dog owner! |
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Terra's Owner Planet Earth
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| 12/03/2011 5:26 PM |
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Terra and Sunshine used to get some good cuts and punctures. I would wash them out with hydrogen peroxide. I figured if it fizzed, it was good. Note that I have no human or animal medical training. They always healed up fine. Terra had one puncture on her leg and when it was almost healed, she got another right on top of the old one. One Halloween, the neighbor brought Sunshine home with about 10 good punctures in his neck and throat (coyote? or neighbor's dog? or?) I washed with H2O2 and he healed up fine. I have not had any trouble at dog parks but then I always watch my dogs and make sure no other dogs are going to do them harm. But this woman with the problem dog, good thing I am not a lawyer. Note I have no law training, I'm sure I am a walking crime spree. But is that not assult to have her dog jumping up on you, growling, after just attacking your dog, and she does nothing at all? It is one thing if her dog was to attack yours and/or jump up on you if she was to go grab her dog and get it under control. Things happen, dogs do crazy things sometimes but to just let the dog keep going and to do nothing is at least a civil lawsuit in my book, if not criminal. And to top it off, this all happened after her dog attacked another dog and knocked down that dog's elderly owner. I think there is a lawsuit against the police too! |
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Smylinacha Connecticut
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| 12/03/2011 7:37 PM |
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| Dang, I would have gone and bit her! I remember being little and the neighbor's kid bit me and my mom sent me right back over there to bite him back! I took Windsor to the dog park a couple of times - he did fine but when I saw what went on there the second time I was there, I never went back. It's sad there are a lot of stupid dog owners in this world. It's NOT your fault - you are a responsible person who thought she was surrounded by likeminded people. Ryder will be ok - but I'm sure it must have been scary! |
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clicklbd SE PA
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| 12/04/2011 11:41 AM |
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You are in a great area to have a dog. I also live in the MidAtlantic region, and if I want to go to a dog show, I could go just about every weekend and drive fewer than 3 hours (usually less than 2.)
You could try hooking up with the local kennel club. You could meet new people, and some people may have older puppies you could have your dog play with. You could also look into socialization classes in your area. At least around here, they are frequently free or at least very inexpensive. They may have an age limit, and I don't know how old your dog is, but you should talk to them anyway. They may be able to help you out.
One of the best places I find for socialization is a local park that is for people, but allows dogs. The dogs are all ON LEASH and I can scope out the dogs before I allow any interactions. If the person is sitting on the side of the path to let people go by, that dog is probably not friendly. But if the dog is walking happily and under control of the owner, then it's probably someone my dog could meet (depending on how they act when we get there, of course.) If it looks like a good interaction, the person may be open to a play date!
I'm sorry your sweet pup had this happen to him. Please stop beating yourself up. You didn't know. Now you do. Your dog needs for you to be confident and move forward so he can too! |
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weerubbertummy Ayrshire, Scotland
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| 12/04/2011 12:03 PM |
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Ryder's Mom, just wanted to back up what everybody else is saying about not beating yourself up. Basically, you take your wee lad to a place where other dogs go, purely with the intention of socializing him. I just want to point out that we all take a chance when we do that, whether it's a dog park, beach, woodland walk, about town, i have even heard of it happening at dog socialization parties. We cant possibly foresee what is going to happen. Prioritising your dog meeting other dogs so that he learns doggy socialising skills is always going to carry a risk.
I am assuming dog parks are secure designated areas for dogs to be exercised? We dont have them in Scotland but there are plenty of places which are popular with dog owners because they are suitable for dogs, and subsequently they do attract the good, the bad, and the downright dumb-ass, all concentrated in a small area and asking for trouble ! It's a chance we all take when being responsible and socializing our dogs. |
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Miss you forever Kintra baby xxx |
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rebelyell Iowa
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| 12/04/2011 12:08 PM |
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I understand you getting angrier as you think about it....it made me mad at the other owner just reading your post! You should not beat yourself up over this....we all have to learn ourselves about dog parks. Just glad yours ended without being any more serious to you or your dog! I thought the same as you did when Rebel was a puppy (great socialization)....until we had been there several times and I saw things happening that I did not like. (Sometimes I would leave the park so upset...I thought the owner should be put to sleep not the dog!!) Many others have suggest other ways to socialize your dog...here is what we found helped us after we stopped the dog park...a nearby town has a doggie-daycare...which worked out excellent to help socialize Rebel. It is a place where you can take your dog during the day to play with other dogs while SUPERVISED by trained individuals. They divided them up by age and size which worked great for the endless energy puppies!! She was able to interact with a large variety of breeds under a controlled setting!! We would take her there once every week or two for a "play day" while we were at work. They did not allow dog aggresive dogs....so it was wonderful socialization. |
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Jolene -- Rebel (GSP 2010) -- Shila (GSP 1988-2006 17 1/2 wonderful yrs ) "There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face." -Ben Williams
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