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09/04/2011 4:59 PM  

 Hello, my name is Crystal. My husband and I used to have a chocolate lab (and have two chihuahuas). He was military and was medically retired. When he was medically retired, we were put out of the military quite quickly and had to move in with my parents until we were able to find and close on a house up here. My parents do not like big dogs and wouldn't allow us to bring our chocolate lab into their house. We had a friend keep him for awhile but he was too much for our friend to handle, we had other friends offer to take him but we didn't want to keep bouncing him from home to home, we felt that wouldn't be fair to Percy. So our one friend offered to give him a permanent home. Though it was hard to give him up, it was best for him and we still are able to see him from time to time. Anyhow, we've had a hole in our heart since we gave him up and we've been researching GSP's for quite some time. We put a deposit on a litter that was born on July 29th, we will be going up Wednesday to pick our little girl and will be able to bring her home September 24th. We are SO excited! I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions when picking our GSP? Our breeder posted pictures of the litter and has posted updated pictures...I've tried to keep an open mind but have already fallen in love with (of course the ONLY) liver roan little girl. She is just beautiful, but we are second pick and the lady ahead of us has not picked yet. I am nervous she will pick that little girl! Though I will love any just the same. And I keep telling myself I need to look more for personality. However, is there really a way to tell the personality of a puppy at this young age? When we chose our two chihuahuas, their personalities were quite different than they are now. Also when we bring her home do you have any suggestions for crating at night etc. How can we make her feel as comfortable as possible in her new home? Our male chihuahua takes awhile to adjust to other dogs (a week or so) so I'm a little nervous to introduce them at first. He's fine once he gets to "know" another dog but at first he can be a little snippy. I just don't want her to be too overwhelmed. We also have two little boys (ages 2 yrs and 10 months) any suggestions for how to introduce her to them? We didn't have to worry much about that with our other two pups because we had them for over a year before our oldest son was born and he grew up with them. Any suggestions would be helpful! Thank you!


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09/05/2011 6:49 AM  
With your family situation and it sounds like you are looking more for a pet then show or hunting I would pick the pup that just comes to you and wants to hang out with you and maybe even is the calmest of the litter...maybe it will crawl into you lap and just want to snuggle...

As for over night in the kennel...I put the kennel/cage in my bedroom where the pup can see me when it is in the kennel...I put a tshirt that I have worn and not washed in the kennel with the pup so it has my scent on it...when it is bed time I put the pup in it's kennel and I get into bed with lights on and I read...the pup eventually falls asleep and I turn out the light and go to bed myself....now the pup will wake up for potty breaks at night...to help with before bed a good play session tires the pup out and then potty time and then bed....

With your kids being young you will want to start with good dog manners from the start...puppies like to nip and a good way to teach them no is to grab their nose and say "ah-ah!"....don't use the word no because it is said in everyday life all the time and means nothing to the dog...work on sitting to wait when it is being fed and sitting to wait for treats...also when you come home and let the pup out of the cage don't greeted it all excited just let it out and take it out for potty nice and calm...also from day one work on a spot for your pup to go sit and stay when you answer the door....soon your kids will have friends coming over and you don't want a hyper dog jumping up on them when they come over....

Also with your kids being young they will like playing on the floor which is where the pup will be....sometimes you might want a break from them both being out so it is ok to put your pup in it's kennel even when you are home...

Make sure your pup has lots of chew toys, I keep a basket with the dog toys in it....that way the dogs know where their toys are and don't take my kids toys...

I work on everything above but I do get a little slack on the door greeting sometimes and then my dogs take advantage but they know what to do when I tell them, if I don't tell them that is when they come to the door to greet...I have successfully had kids afraid of dogs come in and stay to play and even end up running around the house not afraid of the dogs...also the one thing and I don't know if I am just lucky but my kids leave their legos everywhere and I have yet to have my dogs eat any of them....mine dogs are now past the puppy chew stage so I think I am in the clear...

the other thing is when we sit down to eat a meal the dogs have to leave the kitchen...you can either teach that or put the pup in it kennel or have it go to it's spot (the same spot as when you greet someone at the door, putting a rug to mark that spot is a good idea)...

The pup is not gonna like being put in its kennel and it most likely will cry....just ignore it, which is hard!

Congrats on your pup to be!


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09/06/2011 8:15 AM  
What do you mean by 'more personality'?
Do you like a dominat dog, an overly cooperative dog?
Decide what you like, what your goals are,how you plan on achieving goals,exercise and training availability,who will be the main care giver/trainer/exerciser.

You can't really observe a dog once and determine what their positive/negative traits will be b/c so much is determined by the new environment -YOU.
A pushy puppy with a firm trainer will not be pushy, a timid puppy with a skillful trainer will be more confident,etc.

If it's only a pet you are getting then pick the puppy that picks you.



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09/07/2011 8:41 PM  
Congratulations on considering getting your first GSP.
My first question before you make a decision is...did you feel your lab had too much energy, or was it just your friend?

I ask this not to talk you out of a GSP, but because GSPs are very high energy dogs and require alot of exercise (both mental and physical) to keep them out of trouble. If the lab was too high energy...a GSP may not be the correct breed. On the other hand, if you love high energy, then you will love the GSP breed!!!!!

Jolene






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09/07/2011 8:44 PM  
Also....welcome to the forum!!

Jolene

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09/08/2011 5:18 AM  
Some may think me rude for what I am about to write.
Please don't take this the wrong way. Perhaps a shorthair may not be a good choice.

Chris
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09/08/2011 7:03 AM  

 We are a very active family. Percy (our lab) was perfect. I loved that he was high energy. I love going for runs/hikes and there is a dog park about five minutes away. We go camping in the summer as well. I have researched the breed for awhile and know they are high energy and require a lot of activity. Thank you for all the suggestions with training! Our chihuahuas are both crate trained (our lab was as well) and they've both been through obedience training. We started them on obedience training around 12 weeks. I was wondering when the best time to start training with a GSP would be? I don't mean the basics which I will do at home, but I mean actually taking her to an obedience "class." Also, we had thought about possibly doing agility training with her, we were starting it with our lab and then my husbands med board began and things got crazy. Any suggestions on this? Our main reason for getting the GSP is to have her as a family pet of course, but I figured maybe agility would be a good outlet for some of her energy? I know our lab enjoyed it.


"If your dog doesn't like someone you probably shouldn't either."
"Even the tiniest Poodle or Chihuahua is still a wolf at heart."
"To err is human, to forgive, canine."
"No matter how little money and how few possesions you own, having a dog makes you rich."
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09/08/2011 7:35 AM  
I may be technologically illiterate, I'm trying to figure out how to upload pictures of the two puppies we are considering...but I can't figure out how to do it?

"If your dog doesn't like someone you probably shouldn't either."
"Even the tiniest Poodle or Chihuahua is still a wolf at heart."
"To err is human, to forgive, canine."
"No matter how little money and how few possesions you own, having a dog makes you rich."
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09/08/2011 8:25 AM  
You need an account - like photobucket


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09/08/2011 8:57 AM  

 Welcome to the forum.  I would love to see the pictures of the puppies.  Here is a link to a sticky post from the moderator on how to post.

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As for agility, these dogs love agility, but you do have to be careful with puppies until their growth plates close which is around a year to a year and a half.  Before then you can do agility ground work. As for when to start formal obedience classes, I like to wait until the pup has all their basic shots and most schools will ask for that anyway.  Until then I do basic stuff starting as soon as the puppy gets home (remember short and sweet/fun). I also do allot of socialization and exposure to new places.  Just be careful that you take them to places where they are not likely to be exposed to all the puppy diseases.  No dog parks until they get all their shots.  Good luck on your new puppy.


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

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09/10/2011 8:33 PM  



These two pictures were taken by the breeder when they were, four weeks old, I believe. The second is the one I originally wanted. We went up today to see the puppies and pick ours. We had to pick two choices, since we are second pick and with the recent floods all over our state first pick still wasn't able to choose hers. The first picture is of the puppy we chose, or I guess rather, she chose us. As soon as we walked in and got down on the floor she came over and climbed in my lap. She was full of puppy kisses and at the same time was able to curl right up on my lap and relax. She also LOVED my two year old son and of course he loved her as well. The roan puppy is our second choice, but they believe the roan is the one that first pick will want, and boy I hope so as I am already attached to the "pink" puppy. We will know by next week which puppy is ours and the following week, on September 24th will be able to bring her home. Let me just say, I did NOT expect these puppies to be so tiny! When we got our chocolate lab pup while we were down in El Paso, we got him at 6 weeks old because it was an accidental breeding and these people were threatening to take him to the pound...anyways, he had to be a good eight or ten pounds when we got him...he was so chunky. These little pups were so tiny!!! I couldn't believe it! I know full grown GSP's are not as big as lab's, but I still expected them to be a bit bigger! Either way, they are absolutely beautiful and I cannot wait to bring our little girl home, nor can our two year old son, he was talking about the puppies the entire two hour drive back home! :)

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"Even the tiniest Poodle or Chihuahua is still a wolf at heart."
"To err is human, to forgive, canine."
"No matter how little money and how few possesions you own, having a dog makes you rich."
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09/11/2011 7:40 AM  
Very cute! Glad you took your son with the meet the puppies, I think that is good since you are looking for a family one!


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09/12/2011 9:19 AM  
He loved the puppies. We actually had both with us, but my youngest is only ten months so he really didn't interact with the puppies much other than when she licked his hand and he laughed. I am so excited to pick her up I cannot wait! We have a two hour trip to pick her up, any suggestions on anything we should bring with during the trip? I've never drive that far to get a dog, my others were only twenty minutes away. I'm kind of nervous for her for the long drive, hopefully she does well. Also, I ordered her crate since we want to crate train at night. I already grabbed an old shirt of mine to put in the crate anything else you'd suggest? And any insight on how long it USUALLY takes for them to be crate trained? We figure once she's crate trained we'd let her sleep in the bed, or on her bed if she prefers. My two chihuahuas took FOREVER to crate train (though I've heard they're difficult with training, they still regress occasionally and because of that my male chihuahua is still crated at night) and our lab only took three weeks to crate train, I was so impressed, I don't think I've ever heard of a dog being trained so quickly. Also, any suggestions on how to introduce to the other two dogs? When we got our lab we took them all on a walk together before we brought them into the house and that seemed to work really well, wasn't sure if I should stick with that or try any different approach? Our female chihuahua is friendly from the beginning with all dogs, our male however, isn't too welcoming until he gets used to their presence. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

"If your dog doesn't like someone you probably shouldn't either."
"Even the tiniest Poodle or Chihuahua is still a wolf at heart."
"To err is human, to forgive, canine."
"No matter how little money and how few possesions you own, having a dog makes you rich."
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09/12/2011 9:30 AM  
We have a two hour trip to pick her up, any suggestions on anything we should bring with during the trip? I've never drive that far to get a dog, my others were only twenty minutes away. I'm kind of nervous for her for the long drive, hopefully she does well.


Two hours is nothing. If you can find a cat crate to borrow, that's the perfect size. We picked Bo up and had a 6 hour drive. He slept most of the way, half in his crate, half in my lap.

Also, I ordered her crate since we want to crate train at night. I already grabbed an old shirt of mine to put in the crate anything else you'd suggest? And any insight on how long it USUALLY takes for them to be crate trained?


If you can get a towel or blanket to the breeder to get mom's and siblings scents on, that really helps with the transition. Count on a couple sleepless nights getting the pup trained. Some people put the crate by their bed for the first couple nights. We chose not to do that. Bo was in his crate in another bedroom on the same floor. He only really cried for the first two nights. After that, if he cried, he needed to go out. We moved his crate to the main floor when he was 10 weeks old since he was getting to heavy to carry down the stairs in the middle of the night :)

Make sure the crate is just big enough for the pup to stand. (Fill extra space with boxes, etc.) That will reduce the likelihood of them messing in their crate.

Also, any suggestions on how to introduce to the other two dogs? When we got our lab we took them all on a walk together before we brought them into the house and that seemed to work really well, wasn't sure if I should stick with that or try any different approach?


Sounds like a good plan. Always meet on neutral territory.

Congrats on your new pup. We look forward to seeing pix of the new addition (and four-legged siblings:D).

Joce and Rich
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09/12/2011 9:54 AM  
I would say bring the puppy home in a crate and 2 hours isn't that far...the puppy will cry at first most likely but soon will fall asleep...just ignore the cries don't abby talk or try to sooth it because that will just re-enforce the crying...

I think the walk idea for the greet sounds good cuz meeting on nutral grounds is always best...

I think you will find crate training not so hard more like your lab...mine didn't cry much at night when they got put in cuz the crate was in my bedroom and they could still see me...they did wake up for a couple midnight potty breaks but after a week or so they didn't need that anymore...


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09/12/2011 11:31 AM  
I would advise using the crate to bring the puppy home in. I used a regular size crate and my puppies have cried very little when I bring them home. Better to leave her in the crate on the way home as she may get car sick. Some puppies are bothered by the car ride and some aren't. Also, if she cries try some music on the radio. My boy, Ringo, when I brought him home really ended up preferring an audio book, so we listened to a story on the way home. That was a 3 hour drive, so I also stopped half way home and let him potty. Be sure you stop somewhere where there are not likely to be other dogs as you do not want to him her to dog diseases.

As for crate training, if you breeder has already had the puppies in a crate you will not have any issues. I always put mine next to my bed and will sit and read so they can see me until they go to sleep and then I turn off the lights and go to sleep. I have a soft sided crate that I use that allows for the top to be open so I can reach in and scratch them. I also use a regular big crate and have never had any problems with accidents, but then I also get up several times at night right at first because they have a hard time holding it through the night. Mine have never taken more than a couple of nights before they know the routine and settle into it. And routine is key. The more of a routine you establish the more quickly the puppy will adapt.

As for the meet and great, I have always done that in my back yard so they don't have to be on leash. I supervise carefully and have never had an issue.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

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09/13/2011 5:36 AM  
I admit I have done the meet and greet right in my back yard...but I knew my other dog didn't have an aggressive or dominant issue...if you know your one chi is a little iffy about new dogs and doing the walk worked with the lab and him I think it should work for this time too...


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09/13/2011 11:30 AM  

I'd always tried to follow the "neutral ground" theory but when I adopted Humphrey last fall, the rescue volunteer suggested keeping Chelsea (who is territorial) indoors while Humphrey was allowed to explore the back yard and get comfortable.  When I let her out she acted as if she couldn't believe this was happening  but didn't confront him. We did watch them carefully especially when he came up to me, but there were no flareups.   I kept him crated indoors for a couple of days and then things settled down. 

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09/13/2011 1:42 PM  
Our male Chi hurt his back about a year and a half ago (jumping off our couch, the way he landed he herniated a disc). Since then we've gotten it to where it's manageable for him, he doesn't seem to be in pain, though sometimes he does have a "flare up" but the vet feels that his quality of life is good and I feel the same way. Ever since he injured his back though it seems that he is more "weary" of dogs and people that he doesn't know. He will warm up within twenty minutes to an hour with people as long as they aren't threatening in demeanor towards him once they enter the house. With dogs however, it takes him a bit longer. When we had our lab within a week or two he was alright with him. They would have the occasional "scuffle" but nothing serious. Our lab was very gentle with Kong, was almost as though he knew Kong was injured. Intro's are always stressful for me because Kong clings to my side, almost like he tries to hide behind me and then gets defensive when the dogs come near me. Though like I said, he does EVENTUALLY warm up, just seems to take him a week or two to realize, this isn't a situation he can change and he just needs to deal with it. When we moved back up to PA he was this way with my mom's cock-a-poo but warmed up to her in a week and now they play like best buddies. I just hate the introductions.

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"Even the tiniest Poodle or Chihuahua is still a wolf at heart."
"To err is human, to forgive, canine."
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09/13/2011 5:16 PM  

 I see two problems brewing with this intro, you and you.  First, you are very nervous about it which the dogs will recognize, and second, your Chi is very used to you protecting him.  So, first you need to make sure the puppy doesn't hurt the older dog.  And second, if you can't control your nerves, then you need to remove yourself from the first introduction. In this situation I would probably use the backyard and put the puppy on a leash and leave the older dog loose. And most of all I would not force anything.  If the older dog wants to sniff around the puppy, great. If not, let the older dog ignore the puppy.  Whatever you do, do not force either dog on the other.  However, do not let the older dog pick on the puppy either.  I also would make sure there is nothing that the older dog might get possessive about around either.  Take it slow and easy, and you should be fine. Also, if the older dog wants to go back in the house or away from the puppy let him.  He will come around.  You might have to watch the puppy though until the older dogs accepts him. See how they do before you let the puppy off leash.  Remember a GSP puppy can be a hand full and might overwhelm your older dog.  So teach the puppy how to behave, but let the older dog correct the puppy too.  As long as it doesn't escalate, it is usually best to let the dogs work things out.  The older dog will likely correct the puppy and the puppy will learn quickly what the boundaries are.  Better for him to learn when he is little, than later when it could end up in a fight.  Just supervise until you know they are ok together.  And relax, things will be ok. Remember the dogs will be worried if you are worried and that will just make it harder.  


Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

Yellow Rose GSPs

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