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pixie bee
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| 04/12/2011 10:39 AM |
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HA!
Funny dog. That behavior would come to a quick end in my house!
Sounds like he is trying to be dominant.
I say up the obedience level. I would begin with sit - and work up to a 5 minute sit, do the same for down and get him statred with heel. Have him sit or down while you prepare meals for him and don't let him eat until you say OK. Don't let him on
furniture unless invited and don't let him on you or push up against you.If he'son the furniture when you enter a room, get him off.
Again, very funny dog. He is definitely telling you where to go.
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kristen
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| 04/12/2011 11:40 AM |
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Thanks pixie for the input. We've had him for a month now(he's seven months) and it seems like he's trying to test us. He's allowed on the downstairs couch and that's all, up stairs not at all. I was eating downstairs so I didn't want him up on the couch at the time and he got really frusturated. He peed on the wall right behind the couch I grabbed him up,scolded him,took him outside. And when we let him back in he peed again on the wall in front of us. I like the idea of making him sit for longer periods of time. How would you suggest I do this. And also now when I try to pet him he keeps trying to jump up at me. What would you suggest is a good command for him to keep down when he jumps up like that....one more thing,lol,lots of questions when I try to pet him he tries to put his paw over my arm over and over no matter how many times I take it off and tell him no,is this a dominance thing or just affection |
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everbell
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| 04/12/2011 12:08 PM |
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Boy ... sounds like a problem child! Bless you for taking him in and not giving up on him. These guys can really challenge you!
Have you thought about having a trainer come in and work with you guys? |
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kristen
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| 04/12/2011 12:17 PM |
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| He is, the previous owners seemed to of just left him in a crate all day, and when I went to go get him I was undering the impression of no training @ all. He wasn't potty trained and didn't even know how to play or even sit at six months. I took him so ill never give up on him. I don't really have the money to have a trainer right now so ill just have to read up on dog training and do the best I can. |
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pixie bee
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| 04/12/2011 12:30 PM |
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TexasBelle will have great advice on the training - she'll probably check in soon and comment.
One thing to consider - he may also be a bit insecure
All this means is corrections need to be fair and of the correct level,on time and he can't be allowed to 'pull one over' on you
It's my estimate he can be 'fixed' within 3 months
Because he is a pee dog I don't know if I would go the clicker/food route
But, it can be explored at some point
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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Splat
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| 04/12/2011 12:38 PM |
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Sounds like he has some insecurity/anxiety especially since he was just left in his cage all the time (before you got him) so he doesn't want to be by himself and he wants to be with people...he just hasn't learned his place yet and he gets excited easily...when something doesn't go his way he says piss on it and so he does...
the key will be time and training...he is still pretty young so he should absorb the training pretty quickly... |
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Texas Belle
Austin, TX
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| 04/12/2011 5:16 PM |
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So, a couple of things come to mind with your pup. First, he is still settling in and learning the boundaries, and since he had no really guidance up until now you have to help him understand. Second, he needs structure and consistency just like a little kid. So, get him into a routine and stick to it. Dogs love routines and it will help make him more at ease in his new home. Also, don't coddle him, he needs a confident leader. As others have said, get started on obedience training. You don't need a class for that and there are a ton of good books to help you. Check out Dogwise (Google it) as they have almost every dog book written and find one that you are comfortable with, then put a training plan together and get going. I would do training in short periods 3 or 4 times a day. Keep is short and fun and always end on a positive. Do not drill your pup. Shorthairs do not do well with lots of reps, but do much better with short sessions with lots of positive reinforcement. Also, make you pup earn everything including his dinner. If nothing else make him sit and stay, then release him only after you say he can eat. Stay consistent with your commands. The word you use is not so important, but if you decide come means you dog has to come and sit next to you, you have to make sure he does that every time you issue the command. Almost is not good enough. I use off as the command for getting of furniture or off of me. I use down for lie down. Just be consistent and fair. At first all training should be on leash in a controlled and quiet environment. Once he learns his commands then you can add distractions and later you can work off leash, but when you do you will need to go back to a controlled and quiet environment. Also remember dogs do not generalize well, so when you train a sit in the bedroom and he has it down well and then you move to the backyard you may find that you are back to correcting him again until he understands sit means sit wherever he is at the time you give the command. As for the crate you need to build time in his crate and I would start feeding him in the crate. You want him to associate good things with the crate. Also, he should never get out of his crate until he is quiet and sitting. Someone mentioned crate games, and excellent source for building your dog into a dog that loves the crate and also an excellent training tool later.
I have to go now, but if you have questions or I missed something please ask. And before I forget, you do need to be sure and clean all pee spots up with an cleaner made specifically for that. I use Resolve or Woolite cleaner for Pets, but Nature's Miracle is also good and there are others. Failing that use vinegar and water. They all work the same in killing the smell. Also, he is getting to an age where he will be marking. Don't let him. You will have to watch him in the house and wherever and if looks like he is going to lift his leg, stop him and take him out. If he is not potty trained anticipate when he will need to go. Also, boys will not empty there bladder completely because they like to save some for markiing so just because he pees once does not mean he is done. He needs to probably go several times before you put him in the crate.
Ok, now I am really done as I have to go to dog training. Good luck!! |
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kristen
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| 04/13/2011 12:04 PM |
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Thanks for all the tips texas belle. Ill look into that book you suggested. This puppy has major issues we need to work on. Just last night I got home from working midnights,bowser didn't pee in his crate for the first time. I let him out he was acting wild,we spent some time with him before bed. We let him out of the crate while were sleeping so he's not shut up in there all day(he's in for a total of five hrs a day), he hasn't peed since we started letting him do this and I wake up five hours later and he tore all the couch cushions off the downstairs couch and pissed all over it. . I'm sad now because not I feel I have to crate him more. Its like he's pisses over our stuff because he's trying to get back at us for being strict with him |
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Splat
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| 04/13/2011 12:10 PM |
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they are like little kids you can not let them out of your site....if you can't keep your eye on them then they have to go into the crib or playpen or for dogs cage...
when I watched my friends' dog she said the dog just slept on the floor by the bed and I wasn't sure if it would since it was my house and not hers so I put a leash on the dog and kept it at the side of the bed....the dog did stay the night just fine....so maybe if you don't want to cage it while you sleep you can do the leash at the side of the bed.... |
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kristen
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| 04/13/2011 12:18 PM |
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| That's not an option,my fiance has found out he's allergic to him so we baby gate him out of his upstairs room. He's had his chance for now and screwed up. He knows better then to pee on the couch(or I would hope he would) he's just going to have to deal with the crate untill he can be trusted again |
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therozypozy
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| 04/13/2011 12:24 PM |
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First definitely listen to Bev, TexasBelle, on the training. She is so correct about consistency. If the dog knows what to expect, they are apt to be less anxious about what is going to happen.
Another thing, please do not think dogs behave as humans, they are not revengefull and he did not tear up the cushions and peed on everything to get back at you. I would be careful and not do harsh corrections, as that really does not get you far. If he peed on the wall in front of you, I would immediately take him and so no, bring him outside, wait him out to pee and once he does praise him for it. Short training sessions are great. I just think the pup has alot of energy and is expressing it in a way that we do not like, ie torn and soiled couch cushions.
Splat is correct too, they must be watched. If they cannot be watched or at least in the same room where you can hear them if they are being mischevious, then the crate is where they should be. Playing crate games is good, you can search that on you tube and find some good videos to start that until you can get some books and videos for training.
Good luck and keep us posted. GSPs are great dogs, but not properly trained they can be a handful to handle. You sound like you have a determination and you are looking in the right places for advice.
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MainCreeksRemi
Wisconsin
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| 04/13/2011 12:27 PM |
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7 months is awfully young to trust a dog overnight in a new area. If the dog had been there its entire life, I would say sure, try it. But this is all new to him.
Crate time at night if you can't trust him. OR have him sleep on a dog bed in your bedroom.
Where do you keep his crate? I would suggest keeping it an in area of the house that you guys frequent...the living room, kitchen or bedroom. I prefer that my dogs are with me in the bedroom at night. They feel safe, secure and part of the family. If you think he'll jump on your bed, crate him.
Exercise and time out of the crate when you are not at work will and should provide him with enough time away from the crate. When Remi was a pup he spent all day in the crate while we were at work (with a 40 minute break at lunchtime out) and the entire night in his crate too. He has now gained the priviledge of being out at night...but he is restricted to our room. It does sound like a lot of crate time, but if you are providing him with exercise & training, attention & love while you are home...he will be just fine.
Like Bev suggested....they need routine & structure. A walk, some playtime outside & training everyday is part of our routine.
Hope this helps. |
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Texas Belle
Austin, TX
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| 04/13/2011 12:42 PM |
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Roz just stated what I was going to add, dogs are not humans and are not vengeful like humans. If he pee'd on the sofa and tore up the pillows it more than likely is out of boredom. If you can't keep an eye on him, most definitely crate him. Since he is new to you and is not in a settled routine he most definitely needs to be crated. I still crate mine even though they are trustworthy, whenever I need a break from them. It also keeps them ok with the idea that the crate is ok anytime mom puts me in the crate.
I would also highly recommend more exercise and mental stimulation for this pup. The mental stimulation is an excellent way to tire him out too. Teach him the find it game or play hide and seek with him. Hide and seek is excellent because it in grains the idea of coming back to you as something fun. Helps with the recall later. |
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pixie bee
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| 04/13/2011 1:11 PM |
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I don't trust a dog until about 1 1/2 years old and then that's for only 5 minutes.
Otherwise they are in the room with me or crated.
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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everbell
Kanata, ON
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| 04/13/2011 1:16 PM |
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| Our dogs are crated whenever we aren't home and at night. They do fine with it. The only difference between being in the crate when hubs and I are both at work, and the days when hubs is home, is a different sleeping location. The most active part of their days, at least for our dogs, is 5 pm to 9 pm. They love their crates and sleep better in them, than out. |
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JMSGunner
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| 04/13/2011 2:39 PM |
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| Gunner is not crated anymore and hasn't been since he was 8 1/2 months. He's gotten a flip flop and a slipper and that's it. I guess it depends on the dog. |
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Texas Belle
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| 04/13/2011 2:43 PM |
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| Reliability of a dog really depends allot on the dog. Mine have been all over the map. Belle was ok at about 9 months, Ringo at 2.5 years, Halo as soon as she was potty trained at about 4 months, and Fauna is just like her mother Halo. All of my dogs have been raised from puppies in the house though. With your dog he has a history and he was older when you got him, so he needs a chance to adjust. There is no set timeline for the time it will take either. You will just have to watch him and as he calms down and quits getting into trouble, then you might want to try testing him in small bits. I usually start with mine having the choice of sleeping in there crate or on a dog bed in my bedroom, but I shut off the bedroom so they cannot wander through the house at night and get into trouble. If they do well for several months that away, they I may try leaving them for short periods in the house, increasing time as they earn my trust. |
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Max2
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| 04/14/2011 4:53 AM |
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Posted By kristen on 04/12/2011 12:17 PM
He is, the previous owners seemed to of just left him in a crate all day, and when I went to go get him I was undering the impression of no training @ all. He wasn't potty trained and didn't even know how to play or even sit at six months. I took him so ill never give up on him. I don't really have the money to have a trainer right now so ill just have to read up on dog training and do the best I can.
Hang in there I am sure it will all work out. There are some very good and knowledgable people on here who can help you ! You have what I call a perfect storm : a pup that was neglected & just left in his crate and you are his savior. Another thing I thought about is usually around 8 months it seams like these little guy's start to thinking about what they are going to do next to test us Combine that with everything else.
One of the great trait's of this breed is they want to please ! |
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everbell
Kanata, ON
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| 04/14/2011 6:27 AM |
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| Oh yes ... the puppy stupids! Yup, I remember Bo forgetting EVERYTHING he learned at about 8 months. |
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pixie bee
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| 04/14/2011 9:32 AM |
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quote]One of the great trait's of this breed is they want to please !
This is so very true.
The problem is us humans. We don't communicate clearly.
I'll tell you what I think of your pup:
I think he knows what he wants and has piss and vinegar in him. This is a dog that craves challenges.I would start this dog on basic obedience and work on retrieiving, then I would teach him directional commands. A dog like him should love handling.
Don't play ball tho, invest in about 12 3" bumpers. Balls bounce and don't land predictably and they encourage mouthing and chewing. I would work on commands every day,3 -4 times a day for about 5 minutes gradually build up to 15, but not longer. Dogs are not really learning after about 15 minutes. Make is fun, make him WANTto work for you. I think you will be pleased with how easy he is to train and handle. Instead of seeing how difficult he is - look at him and see what he needs to be the dog you want.
He wants a job, so give him one.
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