everbell Kanata, ON
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| 02/26/2011 5:20 PM |
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I cringe when I see GSPs wearing them (or most any dog for that matter). The key is training, use a prong collar along with a regular training collar (choke), and switch out the rings, so the dog will not know which you are using.
Phyllis, with all due respect, and I know you've owned more dogs than I likely ever will in my lifetime, but up north where there's ice on the road, it's not always easy to be consistent with training. This is especially important as my husband has a shoulder that dislocates easily, and at least two of the dislocations have been dog-walking related. I'm going to be the chief dog walker when he goes in for surgery this summer, and I will do whatever it takes, including using halters, to make sure we all come back in one piece.
I wish I had more time and a safe environment to get them to walk nicely without needing to resort to devices, but to me the important thing is that we can all get out and have an enjoyable walk. I'm sure you would agree that is the most important thing, not how we each get to that point. |
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Joce and Rich Bogart and Shiraz (GSPs) Roxane (RIP: 1995-2009) and Tiger Lily (Cats) The Everbell Adventures |
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Smylinacha Connecticut
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| 02/26/2011 7:59 PM |
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Yeah the weather sure was very wintry this year. Tons of snow (I use pics on my boots) and the ice has been unreal. Our driveway is very long and for me it was the toughest part of the walk until I got on the street where sometimes it would get plowed. My problem is I have to walk him with my right hand. I have compressed C5 - C7 and my arms get tingly sometimes - my left more than my right so I feel more comfortable walking him holding the leash in my right hand. He's not really on either side of me - if he is, it's on the right but he's usually in front. I exhanged the medium Sporn today for the large size but haven't tried it yet. I also took advice on here and went to another pet store (my regular pet store doesn't carry them) and bought a Spenger prong w/ a quick release. My husband walked him with that and said it worked much better - it fits him where it's supposed to and yes a quick yank and he listened. But that was my husband, not me. I have to work on showing him who's boss when I am with him and yes, that is starting over with alot of things - a new day tomorrow. Today we are doing nothing but commands - one word, constant, with everything he does. He has been a bit whiney about it but does what he is told, but acts as though he's mad at us. I think what happened is I got too relaxed. I need to keep up the commands, I need to be the boss, He needs to work and do his job by listening. So back to square one. He still knows all the commands but hasn't been listening and I think I haven't been strict enough with it. Sort of fell into treating the dog like it was another human. I really appreciate all the help on here. I've got alot to learn and thank God for this place. Also going to order the dog listener. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 02/26/2011 9:58 PM |
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One thing I have learned as a trainer is that you use what works for you and your dog. There is no one size fits all for a solution. So, even though others may recommend one thing or another, you have to decide what tools work best for you. I will say though that the key to getting a dog to do well on leash is keeping a collar up right behind there ears. If you do that, it doesn't make a whole lot of difference which collar you chose as they will all work pretty well. I think one of the reasons the prong works is when you fit it right it stays up behind the ears. The halter collars work because you are directing the dog via the nose. I have also looked at the halter collar where the leash attaches in the front chest area. It also looks like it will work pretty well. It is nice to have options for the trainers tool bag.
This is a link to the one that fastens in the front. I have never used it, but it looks to me like it might work well.
www.petexpertise.com/dog-collars-dog-harnesses/no-pull-dog-harnesses/easy-walk-no-pull-harness.html |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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Splat Illinois (Northern)
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| 02/27/2011 6:01 AM |
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| You sound much more positive now and that is a good thing...sounds like you have a plan now to gain your control back...I'm sure he is gonna turn around and be wonderful....just wait till next year this time he will be your wonder pet, LOL! |
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Smylinacha Connecticut
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| 02/27/2011 7:33 AM |
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The easy walk harness was the one I was originally going to get and the lady at the pet store told me her customers had better luck with the Sporn so that is why I got it. But if the Sporn doesn't work with me I'll try with the new prong since this one doesn't slide like the last one - it fits him better. The man at this other pet store I went to said he'll custom fit it if it doesn't work but I think it fits him ok. I never liked the old prong we had because I would have to slip it over Windsors head and he hated that (no quick release). He would want to walk but it was a fight to get the thing on and since it slipped over his head, it wasn't fitting him correctly. Now they say to use a backup collar with him. His collar with tags is always on but I see no way of attaching it to the prong - anyone know? I'll be trying the larger Sporn today also. Right now he is outside on his own with his havahart radial fence collar on. He does well with that. Yeah more positive today, I was at my wits end on Friday - my job has more than doubled and I stay later now so I'm burnt out by the end of the week. |
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mrspwgunny Long Island NY
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| 02/27/2011 8:56 AM |
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Wyatt only walks with the harness from Cabelas( Mendota British-Style Slip Lead its GREAT very easy to get on and off. We first used the prong collars and they did seperate and he ran... This lead is like a harness,the best we ever had. |
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singltrak Las Cruces, NM
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| 02/27/2011 9:55 AM |
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You don't attach a flat collar to the prong, it is simply on the dog and you can clip the lead to both. I would not do this initially (clipping, not the backup collar) as you won't get the pop and release that you are looking for. Once he gets the idea that you are the Alpha dog (as is your hubby), then you can just put the prong on, along with the flat buckle collar and clip the two together with the lead snap. Sorry, I see a Shorthair (or any Sporting dog) with a harness and all I can see in my mind's eye ismy aunt's fat, couch potato Pekingese dog in its place. Training doesn't have to be all outside. As Bev will tell you, there are plenty of things to work on inside when there is too much ice and snow (or in our case wind, sand and heat). Phyllis and the Singltrak Furtribe (who only wear harnesses when roading) |
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everbell Kanata, ON
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| 02/27/2011 11:04 AM |
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Phyllis, I totally get where you are coming from. I don't think my dogs are in any danger of getting fat and lazy since they run at least 4 miles a day with hubs. I'm the fat lazy one who just ants to get out with them after dinner for a nice walk  |
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Joce and Rich Bogart and Shiraz (GSPs) Roxane (RIP: 1995-2009) and Tiger Lily (Cats) The Everbell Adventures |
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Smylinacha Connecticut
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| 02/27/2011 2:48 PM |
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Not easy using one word commands but I did yesterday and today and he's listening better. My problem is I like to jibber jabber and don't realize it half the time . Used the properly fitted prong today and husband went on the walk with me and trained ME how to train Windsor to walk by my side. It went well and I have to be consistent. I am starting to understand the need for constant commands and constant follow through on my part now. The walk was great, I learned a lot and prong worked. I have to walk him with little slack and a few quick corrections, HEEL and some GOOD BOYs (he barely pulled) and he got a few breaks of loose leash which stayed loose when we were coming home. I just have to put in the effort. Yeah, hubby is the Alpha Dog, I have to learn to be like that also. Sporn will stay in the package for now - I need to work on it using the prong (Sprenger) and constant commands. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 02/27/2011 7:50 PM |
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| Remember the praise is as important as the command as the praise is the only way the dog knows it is doing something right. Also consistency is a must. Mix that with a whole lot of patience and you have a recipe for success. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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MainCreeksRemi Wisconsin
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| 02/27/2011 8:17 PM |
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Praise goes a long ways and they really catch on quickly. I agree with Bev though.....no one way of training works for each dog and handler. It has to be custom fit to you and your dogs needs. I have found so far that with Remi he figures out very quickly his wrong doing with a correction, and responds even better to a priase and or treat. Focusing on the good with Remi has paid off. |
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Loved by Kelley: Remi (7/3/2010) GSP Morgan (5/17/2008) Choco Lab Nallah (8/6/2006) Black Lab |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 02/27/2011 8:26 PM |
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| One thing that most people miss with shorthairs is they think they are tough and stubborn when being trained. In reality, most shorthairs are very soft, but they are also very smart. So, the best combo for training in most cases (note I say most, and not all) is a soft hand with allot of positive reinforcement. Just something to keep in mind while training your GSP. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
"A dog has the soul of a philosopher." - Plato |
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Smylinacha Connecticut
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| 02/27/2011 8:35 PM |
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| Another mistake I'd make before the walk, he'd be all hyper to get going and although he would sit so I could put the leash on he'd be whining up a storm to go. I am going to wait to go until he is quiet, give him a good boy and then we'll go. Another bad thing I was doing.... once I got the leash on, I'd open the door and say "Meet ya downstairs" and he'd go tear-a$$ing down the stairs and then boing boing boing at the door to get out. Then I'd grab hold of the leash as he'd drag me out the door. No more of that. I watched hubby quiet him down and not let him him down the stairs. Hubby would go first and Windsor had to follow. He was much calmer on the walk and also when we got home. I walked him this morning and hubby walked him this afternoon and I observed. Learned some good stuff today. Yay! |
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singltrak Las Cruces, NM
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| 02/27/2011 9:35 PM |
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| Sounds like you are on the right track! WTG! |
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everbell Kanata, ON
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| 02/28/2011 6:45 AM |
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| It's amazing how little things we think are good, can often be the wrong way to do it. So glad to hear things are going well. |
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Joce and Rich Bogart and Shiraz (GSPs) Roxane (RIP: 1995-2009) and Tiger Lily (Cats) The Everbell Adventures |
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pixie bee
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| 02/28/2011 7:01 AM |
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Necessity is the mother of invention. You needed an answer, you analysed the situation and you are remedying it. Way to go!!! The dog saw you as play,play,play. He loves you but sees you as his equal. Romantically, it sounds great but is a recipe for disaster. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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Smylinacha Connecticut
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| 02/28/2011 7:53 PM |
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| I was doing some reading last night and what I was learning that when a dog gets excited it might not be a happy thing as like in humans. I read that sometimes dog excitement is mistaken as happy stuff when actually the dog is nervous. So it could be both - he sees me as a playmate and all I did was constantly wind him up which wasn't a good thing. Never had a dog with such a personality - learning a lot with him, that's for sure! |
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keanmu Ontario, Canada
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| 03/01/2011 4:03 AM |
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I agree with what everyone else has said but just wanted to also mention, just incase anyone else hasn't.
Has he been fixed? if not, is there a bitch in heat somewhere? My friends GSP used to whine constantly every 6 months when the bitch up the road was in heat. |
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Splat Illinois (Northern)
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| 03/01/2011 5:37 AM |
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yes the excitement/nervous anxiety is a common mistake....plus if you have a dog with anxiety it is much better to be a clam person greet the dog quietly and make no big deal out of anything.... |
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Smylinacha Connecticut
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| 03/01/2011 8:00 PM |
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We have quite a few dogs in the neighborhood, not sure what sex they are. And we haven't gotten Windsor fixed yet - not sure if we are going to or not. Yes, I am trying to be calm around him. I'm either all wound up or zoned out - depending on my day at work. We had fun tonight with the ball toss down the stairs and back and forth down the hallway - he is passed out. We walked also - he was pulling a little - the collar kept slipping down a little We took a link out but I had a very hard time getting it on so we put the link back in. Once it's up where it is supposed to be he walks pretty well but my right arm was going numb tonight so that could have been the problem. Not the dog, but from my neck problem I have had. Forget my left arm - that tingles all the time when I'm holding onto something. I put the new Sporn on him in the house when I got home, with a short leash - he seemed to walk easier with that. He also approached me and put his paws up as I put it on him like he wanted that over the prong. Might try that one tomorrow as the medium was too small. This one fits great. But I will still keep a short lead on him and make him walk by my side. That is the key, making him walk WITH me, not in front of me. He gets little lead breaks during our walk (to the pee spot) but after that, I reign him in back by my side. Saying Heel, Good Boy as we walk. It is improving. Tiring him out and giving him a job is what I am learning works best. |
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