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MainCreeksRemiUser is Offline
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02/24/2011 2:10 PM  

Anybody have issues with coyotes coming within close distance of your house?? We live in Northern Wisconsin...out in the boonies so I am used to being on creature watch at all times. I've had just about every type of animal that lives up here in my yard at some point. Bears, coyotes, deer, fox, raccoons, porqupines, rabbit, snapping turtle, etc.

 

Monday night I had a scare. I was outside letting the dogs out for the last time before bed and I saw a glimpse of something in the woods. Where it was, I thought it was just headlights down the road that I caught a glimmer off......but as I looked harder...I realized it was glowing eyes. Once they knew I saw them, they stopped. 3 sets of eyes staring at me from the woods. Nallah & Morgan are off leash to potty and Remi seemed overly distraught on the lead...I think he knew they were there. Morgan was right next to me but Nallah was further off towards the woods. I called her and thankfully she came right away.

 

I got the dogs inside and went back out with the gun. I stayed on the porch with the lights shut off and couldn't see them. I was still looking further off the yard where they HAD been.  They were now closer to the house.......about 30 yards from me. Still in the woods......but making their way closer to the house. Talk about creepy. I fired a warning shot down into the river bottoms where I knew it wasn't going to hit any of them or hit anything else important. There are no neighbors close by. I just wanted to give them a little something to be scared of and run off. Had it been light out yet, I probably would have taken a crack at them.....but I don't want to take the risk of shooting at one in the dark and injuring it.

Its pretty obvious what their intentions were....and that makes me pretty nervous. This isn't our first encounter with them. I've seen them in broad daylight along the river bottom or on the ridge next to our house. I've heard so many stories about them taking on full sized dogs and killing them. I know its sad that they have no where else to go....we're crowding their living spaces......but I live in the middle of no where! Why do they have to pick on me?! We don't have anything out that would attract them......except for the obvious, the dogs.

 

This is at the edge of our yard....about 20 yards back is our house. The 'yotes were sitting just inside the woods shown here.


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02/24/2011 2:14 PM  
Wanted to add that this is another reason I'd like a fenced in area.......a secure area to let the dogs out at night. Obviously checking first with yard lights & flashlights to make sure there aren't any coyotes IN the fenced in area b/c I've heard of that happening too!

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02/24/2011 2:52 PM  
If you have three dogs the size of yours and they were coyotes you will have no issue. Living in WI I would question if they were yotes or not...maybe wolves. Most coyotes don't run large groups when hunting, wolves on the other hand do. Then it is a different game. Good idea to have a gun...but don't let that young dog loose. Both species will lure young dogs to them and then to the pack and that is it.
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02/24/2011 3:06 PM  
I have coyotes around my home all the time. I have had them take off with a duck at 10am in the middle of the summer. I now keep a 12 gauge by the front door with at least #4 buck. Heavy shot makes "Dead Coyote" that will take care of most ANY problem you have. From my experience Coyote know where they get shot at. That being said... At night there is a prelimary scanning of the yard before the pups go out side. It is not just for preditors, but for deer, coons, ect.

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02/24/2011 3:09 PM  
Posted By Dirtysailor on 02/24/2011 2:52 PM
If you have three dogs the size of yours and they were coyotes you will have no issue. Living in WI I would question if they were yotes or not...maybe wolves. Most coyotes don't run large groups when hunting, wolves on the other hand do. Then it is a different game. Good idea to have a gun...but don't let that young dog loose. Both species will lure young dogs to them and then to the pack and that is it.



 

Well....I'm pretty sure they're coyotes because I've seen them in daylight before. I've heard that coyotes & wolves don't live in the same territories......there are for sure Wolves around here, but further north.

 

Remi is on a leash or lead at all times.....and Nallah and Morgan stick pretty close and have more solid recalls. Either way...not something to mess around with.


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02/24/2011 4:08 PM  
Terrible coyote problem in my area, they were really vocal when I got home from work last night & the dogs went crazy barking at them. They've never come close, but a neighbor's small dog was eaten in her yard in broad daylight a few years ago. :(

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02/24/2011 4:25 PM  

Ya ... we've had them in the woods near us. We were only REALLY worried about them when Raz was supposed to go into heat. Not sure genetically how close they are to dogs but we really didn't want to take a chance.

Last spring, Rich was going into the woods with both dogs and a couple was just coming out. On their way in their was half a fresh deer kill on the path ... they were gone 45 minutes, and when they came back, the carcass was gone. Rich decided not to go in that day


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02/24/2011 5:06 PM  
I live in the city (Austin, TX), but near a greenbelt. We have had coyotes in the neighborhoods in my area now for quite a few years. They are a real problem with cats and small animals or injured deer or injured or older larger animals. My dogs find coyote kill areas all the time in our greenbelt when we hike down there. So far I have never had a problem with them and they really don't even come into the yard even though I have seen them going down the street I live on in the early morning or late at night. I have a 6 foot fence and my dogs are out from about 8 am until the evening, around 5 PM most days. I have 3 adult shorthairs and one 6 month old puppy. The coyotes are opportunistic and as long as they have easier pickings elsewhere they probably won't mess with large dogs. However, if food is scarce they have been known to even attack humans. I would also worry about rabies with coyotes. I rarely see them in more than groups of 2 or 3 either, but we have many more than that in the area.

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02/24/2011 6:21 PM  
I haven't heard of them causing any issues here with pets or humans....but there sure are plenty of them around. Makes me nervous that they are brave enough to come up into our yard even while we are out there. Another reason I don't ever let the dogs out unattended!
Everyone says....oh coyotes are probably more scared of you than you are of them! I don't think so.....these coyotes clearly saw me in the yard with my dogs and decided to come closer when they saw me come back out by myself. Makes me nervous about walks too...I need to start carrying some sort of defense.

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02/24/2011 6:44 PM  
Just two night's ago I heard them going nuts behind the house. Very close . It was just dusk and I couldn't see them. It was a group and I wondered if they had a deer or something on the run. When I lived in suburbs of NYC a friend who was a policeman told me that our town down there hired professional trappers because the problem was getting out of control. Cat's and small dogs being killed by coyotes. I have heard that they will trick a domestic dog by luring them in and then pack attack.
I think this is their mating season now also here in upstate NY.

The next day Max & I checked the snow behind the house and less then 100 yrds back were a bunch of coyote tracks.

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02/24/2011 7:31 PM  

We have them here. We think one got my motherinlaw's cat. I have always had indoor/outdoor cats and one disappeared - I think one got her too. Also my other cat got hurt bad - big fight one night two summers ago - bite marks on her back that got infected and we had to put her down - not sure if it was a coyote or not. We have two canoes that are upside down on some saw horses. One day there were two bedded down under it - it was in the snow. Husband tried to track to shoot them after they saw me and left but it was too late by then and he never located them. We are in the woods but have pretty much the "burbs" right outside of our neighborhood. They are all over the place. Even on I95 a couple years back one showed up at a McDonald's rest stop. It attacked a woman. Ever since I lost my cat I will not let the cat I have now out at night. When Windsor goes out in the dark to do his business I go out with him or he's on his lead for a short period of time and I'm close to the door.

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02/24/2011 7:40 PM  
They'll be fairly vocal here soon, and territorial since they are forming pair bonds and mating (now most of the mating is starting to wind down, but they'll be extremely territorial). With the size of your dogs, and that you have three of them you shouldn't have too many issues. They will defend their territory and den areas against any other canines though. I dont know why they can't come that close to me when Im hunting them haha.

also, no fence will keep coyotes out regardless of the height. They can jump really high, and most people are unaware that they are GREAT climbers and will climb a any fence like its nothing. Just check the yard when you let the dogs out...but other than that (and shooting them when you have the chance) theres not much more you can do.
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02/25/2011 5:39 AM  
We have coyotes too...the other day....kinda closer to evening we let the dogs out and Blitz was going nuts and Striker ran back to the deck (the big brave chicken that he is, LOL)...My husband looked outside and called to Blitz and as he did so he saw the coyote pulling a rabbit out of our neighbors burn pile and take off running...

We have heard them howling at night too...

I just keep hoping there is small enough game for them that they don't come for the dogs or my horse...

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02/25/2011 6:32 AM  
Erm, Bentley and I saw a hedgehog a couple of months ago? And there are some REALLY fat pigeons in our garden from time to time! If they flew into you they'd do some damage!

England is so tame!

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02/25/2011 6:44 AM  
Hahahahahaha Phill
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02/25/2011 6:53 AM  
Wolves are indeed a major problem in Wiconsin, and a growing issue in northern Michigan as well. Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan have been trying for years to get the wolves delisted from the endangered species list in the Great Lakes Region because numbers have gone well beyond the goals stated when they were first reintroduced, but they keep hitting major roadblocks.

Here's a link to dog killings/injuries by wolves in Wisconsin:
http://dnr.wi.gov/org/land/er/mammals/wolf/dogdepred.htm

I write a monthly column on dog related legal issues for UKC, and did one of my columns last year on this issue as a coonhound was killed by a wolf in Minnesota at a UKC coon hunt. Here's a link for anyone interested to read, but be warned, a graphic photo of the deceased dog is included in the article:
http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/WebPages/ComDogRtsNov

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02/25/2011 7:32 AM  
I know the wolves are a huge problem not far from here with farms. Killing cattle & dogs. There are several people I know who have lost dogs to wolves up north a little ways. Its usually a hound of some sort while they are out hunting........I don't know of any cases where a wolf has just outright killed a dog in somebody's yard or anything. I would definitely be more terrified of a wolf than a coyote, but I have yet to see one down this close to where we live. Not saying they're not here.......just don't see them. Travel north about 20 miles and you can bet that you'll see one. Its a little more "desolate" up there.

And I know the fence wouldn't stop them from getting in there, but it would give me peace of mind that if they did happen to be out in our yard when we go outside that the dogs aren't going to take off after them. And we always supervise when the dogs are let outside.......just too risky not to.

I should have DH set up his trail camera where we usually see them.......see how many there are and how big they are!

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02/25/2011 8:32 AM  
3 things solve this. Physical fence barrier, Rem 870 and a shovel.
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02/25/2011 9:01 AM  
Posted By Dirtysailor on 02/25/2011 8:32 AM
3 things solve this. Physical fence barrier, Rem 870 and a shovel.



 

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02/25/2011 4:28 PM  

Agreed - when it comes to protecting my dogs, I shoot first and worry about the law later.

But don't get too overly paranoid immediately. Coyotes are opportunists, they aren't necessarily coming to kill your dogs. They are also smart and quickly learn that where there are dogs, there is often dog food. At field trials, they are known to come through at night after all the dogs are put up and clean up partial bowls, dumped out food and get into dog food bags that are outside. Creates a hell of a ruckus in camp...

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