caly1522
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| 02/05/2008 6:53 PM |
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| I am not sure what part of this you missed Ryan. My dogs don't climb all over my car. They get in the back seat and lay down. I will not put them in a crate to ride in the car. I'm not sure what kind of accidents you have been in or how crazy you must drive to feel that your dog will kill everyone around in the event you crash. I think Renee/Beans, Mydog, and a couple others are the only people on here who aren't convinced that death and destruction are going to happen if a dog is not in a crate every time they get in a car. |
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gsp-fan
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| 02/05/2008 7:22 PM |
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| I believe that this subject was talked or should I say argued in old forum board (search for traveling with your dogs). Ryan I really don't think we need to start calling people ignorant . If you are the Ryan from the old board remember you and I went around and round on this subject. I travel with my dogs (4) in the car loose no crate no seatbelts, we now even travel in our motorhome the same way. We all do what we are comfortable with and that is that. |
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wigg
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| 02/05/2008 7:42 PM |
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Wow this has opened my eyes. I don't think I will take my shorthairs hunting any more "what if" they are accidentially shot, or "what if" they accidentially fall into an old fur trap, or I'm walking them down the road and somone runs us over? There are so many "what ifs". Just be safe and don't drive like a mad man.
Btw my dogs will always hunt with me!! |
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Mydogiscrazy
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| 02/05/2008 7:45 PM |
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| Remembered earlier today, my high school days when I drove around in a jeep wrangler. I had no choice but to hope the dogs stayed planted... and i drove like a 16 year old. |
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caly1522
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| 02/05/2008 7:48 PM |
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THANK YOU gsp-fan & wigg!!! I'm glad to see I'm not the only ignorant person on here!  I use to have a Jeep too! |
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singltrak
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| 02/06/2008 8:06 AM |
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Excuse me, that last comment is over the top. We folks who do travel our dogs in crates or otherwise restrained are not crazy, stupid, over-reacting or anything else. Maybe, had you ever considered this fact, we might possibly have a bit more miles on us (and our cars and dogs too) than you have?
No one has said you were definitely going to get into a life-threatening situation if your dogs aren't contained. People never intend to have accidents or be in them. Face the fact that things can and will happen, and you have no control over it, period. I have a friend who was forced off a mountainous road by an 18-wheeler in her Astrovan. She didn't intend to roll and total her van, or be Med-Evac-ed to the closest major hospital (about 200 miles) and hover near death for four days. The van was a total loss, the dogs inside all survived because they were in crates and bungeed down. It has taken her a good 8 years to get back into being mobile again.
She did not think that kind of thing was not ever going to happen to her. Just that the possibility was there and is always there. That's called being responsible (not ignorant). If you want to think we are dumb to recognize the possibilities, go right ahead (I've been there too, btw). Just understand that you are ultimately responsible for yourself as well as for your animals, no one else is. |
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RyanGSP
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| 02/06/2008 8:34 AM |
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Caly its not a matter of how I drive but how the other person drives. No matter how defensivly you can drive the other guy may drive very bad and he may cause the accident. Just stop and think about it for a minute. Your driving at 100 KM/h with your dog laying on the seat behind you. Suddenly the car in the on coming lane looses control and crashes head first into you. Your seatbelt stops you from going through the windshield but pooch goes flying forward breaking the seat and your back. Pooch then proceeds to go through your front windshield and possibly the other vehicle windshield. This is because even though you were stopped the dog was still traveling 100 KM/h.
I may not change your mind or anyone elses but if you must have your dog "loose" when not buy it a harness that goes on the dog and clips into your seatbelt to secure the dog down but still give him free movement about the vehicle?
wigg you are totally missing the point. No your dog may not get hurt this time, next time, or the time after that. But that one time it does happen there is a very good chance your dog will die so why risk it? |
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gsp-fan
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| 02/06/2008 8:36 AM |
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| Singletrak - I don't think anyone meant to say people who crate or restrain there dogs are stupid,crazy, over -reacting or anthing like that (maybe words came out wrong). I think that we all understand and take responsibility for our actions and we live with the outcome. I just don't see someone calling someone ignorant for something they do or feel is ok. We are all adults here. Oh and by the way I do have quite a few miles on me. This is just one of those topics that people feel one way or the other. |
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RyanGSP
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| 02/06/2008 8:38 AM |
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| GSPfan I did not call her ignorance but referred to her ignorance on the subject. |
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wigg
Flint MI.
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| 02/06/2008 2:52 PM |
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Ryan most of the time my dogs are crated when they travel only because when I hunt I have to travel 100 miles or so. But when I'm going over to my parents, grandmothers or just toolin around town they are loose in the cab of my truck. I don't put them in the bed because they both like to jump out. But if they didnt im sure they would enjoy a nice ride back there on the way to get some ice cream. |
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wigg
Flint MI.
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| 02/06/2008 2:54 PM |
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Oh yeah why risk taking him to do the thing he's bred and loves to do. Thats just out of the question, thats why I bought shorthairs to hunt birds with me. |
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BEANS
Washington state
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| 02/06/2008 3:15 PM |
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'How the Fight Started'
I rear-ended a car, this morning, on my way to work.
So there we were, standing alongside the road, steam rolling from my
punctured radiator, and slowly the other driver got out of his car. And
you know how sometimes you just get sooo-stressed-out that real-life stuff
seems to get really funny?
Yeah, well, I could NOT believe it . . . The other driver was a DWARF,
only about 3 feet tall! So, he storms over to my car, looks up at me, and
loudly proclaims, 'I AM NOT HAPPY!'
So, I looked down at him and said, 'Okay, well, which one are you then?'
And THAT'S when the fight started .
SORRY....I thought it was funny...maybe not appropriate..BUT FUNNY none the less
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caly1522
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| 02/06/2008 5:06 PM |
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Beans/Renee, I really like that joke!!
Singltrak, I'm not asking anyone to except my responsibilities. What happened to your friend was horrible. I'm sure we could all list a few crashes we have been in or we know someone who's been in them. I have been in a car that flipped down a drop off that was over 70 feet. Also, I have plenty of miles on me. I use to travel almost everyday to horse events and dog events.
Ryangsp- just because I don't agree with you 100% doesn't mean I'm ignorant on the subject.
I just think everyone needs to get their panties out of a wad and understand that people are going to do what people are going to do. We are all adults here so we should act like adults. Everything doesn't have to conform strictly to what you believe. Anyway, I'm glad that Renee brought some humor into this. |
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RyanGSP
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| 02/06/2008 5:40 PM |
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Posted By caly1522 on 02/06/2008 5:06 PM
Ryangsp- just because I don't agree with you 100% doesn't mean I'm ignorant on the subject.
Thats not what makes you ignorant.
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caly1522
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| 02/06/2008 6:09 PM |
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| I'm finished discussing this with you Ryan. Have a good night! |
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Bedberg
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| 02/06/2008 7:40 PM |
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It seems interesting to me that AspenUtah, did not post anything after her initial post. Iam certainly not wanting to start anything, but I wonder what impact the responses had on her. |
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momsgspz
Garden City, MI
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| 02/06/2008 8:22 PM |
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Oh My I laughed so hard when i finally figured it out! I'm a bit slow today! Very cute!!! |
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Aspen
Utah
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| 02/06/2008 9:46 PM |
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Wow I truly did not know that my question could turn in to such a debate. It was truly not intended to be that way.
Someone asked what our decision was? We will go with or original plan, of having her crate tied down in the back of the truck.
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evanston
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| 02/10/2008 9:25 AM |
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| At the risk of re-opening this discussion, which seemed to have come to a logical conclusion with Aspen's last reply, I just wanted to make an observation. Reading through everyone's comments, it seemed to me that an individual's decision on this topic boiled down to a basic risk assessment. Each of us, consciously and unconsciously, make these assessments and decisions many times a day, some trivial, some not. Do I come to a full stop at this stop sign, or do I roll through it? Do I light up another cigarette, or not? Do I take my dogs out for a long walk in sub-freezing weather? Do I accept this new job, or keep the one I have? Sometimes, our legislatures pass laws that define the acceptable boundaries of risk (seat belts was a good example). You still have the option, though, of not wearing a seat belt and risking a ticket or, worse, serious injury in a crash. What seems like an intolerable risk to some may be totally acceptable to others - that's a big part of the freedom of living in a democracy (both US and Canada). So, while it's obvious we don't all agree on how our dogs should ride in a truck, I hope we can agree that we all have the right to make our own assessment of the risk to our dogs and respect each other's right to make that decision. (BTW, I finally quit smoking (again) 6 months ago - I decided the risk of very bad things happening to me was too great, and besides, they were getting just too expensive - $7.00 or more a pack in Chicago). |
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