everbell
Kanata, ON
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Ranger ... I was thinking the EXACT same thing  |
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Joce and Rich
Bogart and Shiraz (GSPs)
Roxane (RIP: 1995-2009) and Tiger Lily (Cats)
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Marie
Wisconsin
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| 01/25/2008 8:35 AM |
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Ranger, I think you are right Madonna's Rocky and my Rocky being cousins! |
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Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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Marie
Wisconsin
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| 01/25/2008 8:40 AM |
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Rocky on snow point, . My Rocky could be a DK as I donot have a clue about his back ground! |
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Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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birdie
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| 01/25/2008 8:52 AM |
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wow Madonna your dogs are beautiful. too bad I can't read German on your website. 
So the DK is allowed in black? I always thought the black dogs were gorgeous. I know there is alot of discussion and controversy over GSP and DK, but I favor the German tests and rules because the dogs were developed in Germany and bred to do all sorts of activities, so the tests there reflect their breeding and purpose. It also keeps the best dogs in the breeding bloodlines so the breed is maintain in excellent form and function through time. I don't favor the American breeding to compete with EP or setters for bird field trials. But that's just my opinion and eveybody's got one. Thanks for sharing your dogs with us. |
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Trey
SW Iowa
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| 01/25/2008 8:59 AM |
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| The gs is also allowed in black, they just can't show in the conformation ring,they are allowed in all preformance events. |
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madonna
walldürn- odenwald- germany
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| 01/25/2008 11:08 AM |
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Dear friends! Blood tracking- about 30 deers and some boars a year. emma has in her young age 30 hunts on boar, she hunted one 115 kg boar to a hunter, that shot the boar. another she did hold, i shot the boar.
Black- is for DK not beautiful.
Black is the offspring of the prussian kurzhaar- that was a mixture between the ancestor of the DK , called: brauntiger- browntiger, and a black pointer named beth of beechcrove and black-brown foxhounds. in the nazi-area the prussian kurzhaar was united by force with the DK. for about the last 60 years only 5 % were black- or black-mould. the color is not loved by the old hunters, the think, it is a color of bad luck. in the last years, the black was very much in mode, but times have already changed again, because
there are too many blacks and black-mould now. i will breed emma with my filius von der himmelsleiter- you see him at my homepage, so i will get a litter with all colors. greeting madonna |
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Marie
Wisconsin
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| 01/25/2008 1:25 PM |
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| Madonna, In our part of the world Wisconsin USA, a dog of any breed would have a short life if taught to blood track on deer and get into the habit a chasing deer. If a farmer saw a dog chasing a deer across a field the dog would be in great danger of being shot. We have a herd of 24 white tail deer who live in the fields and woods behind us and one of the first lessons for Rocky no chasing or even looking at deer in the field or horses ect in the fields. I do have permission from the farmer to exercise my dogs in their fields as long as my dogs donot chase deer or horses that live in those fields. Each culture is different that is what makes our world interesting and refreshing to learn!!! When it is 9 day gun deer hunting season in Wisconsin, our dogs have to stay out of the woods, no country dog field walks at that time in November. Many of us dress our dogs in bright orange jackets if we live near the hunting areas in fear the dog may wander off and be thought a deer and killed. That is probably one reason American GSP's are not used for fur hunts just for upland birds. Sooo happy you had a DK named Rocky, he is absolutely spectacular!!! His spirit will always live on thur your other DK's... The other name for our GSPs is Deutcher Kutzaaniger Vorstehhund. GSP was developed by seventeenth century German sportsman( taken from one of my Dog Breed encyclopedias )GSP's were produced by mixing Bloodhound, Foxhound and latter English pointer. Origins going back to the Spanish Pointer. Does your DK's share any of the GSP lineage?? Our Rockys do look similar!!! |
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Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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madonna
walldürn- odenwald- germany
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| 01/25/2008 2:25 PM |
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| Dear- blood -stalking means: the dog is on the lead - a blood-stalking lead of 12 yards. we follow wounded, ill shouten deer and boar! it has nothing to do with chasing deer- chasing healthy deer is not allowed for the dog- only wounded, ill deer. we have bright orange jackets too- if we hunt on boars. Deutsch-kurzhaar has the same origin- but the breed in the last 50 years was in another direction- allrounder- not trail. excuse please my poor english. Greeting madonna |
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Marie
Wisconsin
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| 01/25/2008 6:06 PM |
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Madonna, here is an example of Rocky my husband Tom and son Dennis on a local game farm phesant hunting. |
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Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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Marie
Wisconsin
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| 01/25/2008 6:09 PM |
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The hunters walk up and down in row with the dog in front waiting for the GSP to lock on point. |
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Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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Marie
Wisconsin
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| 01/25/2008 6:20 PM |
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Rocky locked on point on pheasant -2 degrees last Feburary Berlin WI 07 |
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Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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Marie
Wisconsin
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| 01/25/2008 6:28 PM |
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Last year our son Mike came down for a weekend pheasant game hunt with Rocky from Minneasota twin cities!! It was 25 below zero wind chill My fingers froze taking this picture after their hunt. You can see how warm everyone including Rocky is dressed |
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Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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Trey
SW Iowa
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| 01/25/2008 10:13 PM |
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| Marie, people here use their gs for bloodtracking and waterfowl also. Dogs learn very quickly not to chase deer, and still track just fine. |
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Marie
Wisconsin
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| 01/25/2008 11:24 PM |
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| Trey I never knew we too use GSPs to track blood of a deer. Does that mean we could train Rocky to track deer blood after our son Dennis who is an avid bow deer hunter shoots a deer and spends hours following the blood trail drops? We run Rocky alot on the deer land that we hunt on in off season. Last spring Rocky rustled up a fawn! She ran crying for her mother, but my husband was able to call Rocky back and let the fawn run away. My husband said tonight he didnot think it would be too difficult to train Rocky to track deer blood, but his only concern is if the deer ran too far and Rocky would keep going for miles and miles on the scent. But I guess to prevent that, we would have to hook him up on a cord or extension leash during the tracking. I have been out on fall nights with Dennis using a flashlight following blood tracks and I told Dennis "It would be so wonderful if we had one of our dogs trained to track blood of a deer." |
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Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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madonna
walldürn- odenwald- germany
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| 01/25/2008 11:48 PM |
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Dear, this boar ran 5000 yards before it could get killed. the dog was an the leash and only the last 200 yards was free to catch the boar. before following wounded deer, you have to wait - half an hour or more, that the deer is going in wound-bed. then follow with the dog. if you hear or see the deer- let the dog catch it. Greeting madonna
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Trey
SW Iowa
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| 01/26/2008 6:55 AM |
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| Marie, check the law in your state, most don't allow dogs to track deer (legally). But, yes, you can train him to do it. We usually wait at least 4 hours, somtimes overnight, depends on what information I get from the hunter on what kind of hit it was. Google 'blood tracking' you will find lots of sites with information on it. Also, contact your local navhda chapter, probably be some dk, or vdd folks that can give you more information on it. |
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Trey
SW Iowa
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| 01/26/2008 6:58 AM |
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Oh, Madonna, your English is very good. I would hate too see what most of us would to to your language if we tried!
What kind of boer is that? I don't see any tusks? The wild pigs we have here, have got nasty ones!
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Marie
Wisconsin
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| 01/26/2008 8:58 AM |
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Trey, I looked up the WI Deer hunting regulations, and you are right IT IS ILLEGAL TO HUNT DEER WITH DOGS. I am sure that includes blood tracking. And I have never heard of a deer hunter finding a wounded deer with his dog after a shot. That would be great and a real time saver if dogs were allowed. Too sad it is illegal.
Madonna, your English is very good and I will only be able to enjoy hearing about hunts and blood tracking your DK's through you !! Thank you for openning a new world of DK dogs to me. |
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Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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Ace1cappuccino
Carp Lake, Michigan
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| 01/26/2008 10:42 AM |
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Emma is beautiful, all the books I have read say they are the same breed. Some are just pure german and they are usually bigger body sized. I like them all. I use mine on rabbits and squirrels. They are pretty good at finding any prey. I do not run them on deer. They find fox, coon, and unfortunately porcies too!
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Cornell's GSP'S- Mocha cappuccino, Lili Belle Lotte, Sir Leopold Vom Hunter 1, Lil Miss Lotte Doddi, Ace Hunter Twisted Mister(GSP'S)  
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Marie
Wisconsin
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| 01/27/2008 11:28 PM |
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| I just asked some Wisconsin hunter about blood tracking with dogs. And they said it is legal if it is just blood tracking to find a lost shot deer. But the guns,bows ect have to be in the truck not on the hunter and the dog has to be on a leash at all time doing the blood tracking. My son Dennis is ok with this and says he will welcome this and just use during bow season and not the busy gun season. The worst thing that will happen Rocky gets a nice walk in the woods on a leash in the fall woods and we find nothing. I will check with the DNR for sure before we venture into blood tracking!! |
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Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
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