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madonnaUser is Offline
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01/24/2008 11:04 AM  

Dear members of this forum! i hope, this post is on the right place. i am from germany and i own three DK- not GSP but DK. i am here, because i want to communicate with some people about testing and training there dogs. Greeting madonna

and this is my emma:

 


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01/24/2008 1:02 PM  

welcome to the forum madonna.  Hope you find the information you need.  The people here are great.  Your picture of emma didn't post.

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01/24/2008 1:03 PM  

oops never mind.  I see it now, not sure why I didn't before.  She's beautiful!

madonnaUser is Offline
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01/24/2008 1:15 PM  

Dear Mit! Thanks for your welcome! i am really proud of my emma. but it is still not sure, that she will stay with me, because i need a bitch for breeding. and, if she fails the tests this year, i will sell her- My old bitch now is neutered, she is now only family and hunting dog. and i have a male dog too. and more than three dogs i will not have in my house. but, i am very confidently, that she will do the tests very well. if she does, i will make a litter with her in 2009. but she is really beautiful and a very nice, cooperative dogs, that always wants to be petted and praised.

Greeting madonna


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MarieUser is Offline
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01/24/2008 1:24 PM  

Welcome Madonna to our forum and widening our horizens to the Deutsch Kurzhaars DK

To learn more about the DK breed from Germany I will try to post a link for reference for the other members on this forum to enjoy and learn more about the DK.

DK http://www.nadkc.org/index.htm   and another link

http://www.deutsch-kurzhaar.ro/index-frameset.htm 

I do have a love for all the pointing breeds and love to learn about them . The DK or Deutsch Kurzhaars is new for me and yes the DK is not a GSP even though in English Deutsch Kurzhaar translates into German Shorthair


Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab18/Annette_Merryfield/100_0285.jpg?t=1287205231
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01/24/2008 1:49 PM  

Thanks for the info Marie

I had no idea what a DK was

Welcome Madonna

Your Dog is beautiful

Renee'


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madonnaUser is Offline
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01/24/2008 2:41 PM  
Thanks!! Greeting madonna

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MarieUser is Offline
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01/24/2008 2:51 PM  
Madonna I think our GSP and DK have alot in common. As the GSP, if in Germany would be expected not only to find and point upland game birds, but to find, point and retrieve furred critters as well. The American version of the German shorthair sportsman tend to specialize in just upland game birds and just donot take advantage of the GSP's versatility to use them for fur hunts. Although, I do have a friend who uses his GSP along with his coon hounds to tree racoons. Believe me, our GSP's do have strong water skills and can definitly track a rabbit as I have seen on many of our wooded adventure walks and enjoyed swimming with our GSP in the summer. I think many on this forum will help you train your DK, maybe not so much on the fur critter end, but greatly on the upland birds and maybe duck or goose hunting. My information is referenced from : TO THE POINT A TRIBUTE TO POINTING DOGS. Authors Dale C. Spartas and Tom Davis Great book to learn and read about other pointing breeds you meet in the dog park, game farms ect. You DK is beautiful and I hope she passes all her tests!!!

Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab18/Annette_Merryfield/100_0285.jpg?t=1287205231
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01/24/2008 3:22 PM  
Welcome Madonna and Emma!

Ok, I am a little confused here on the DK v. GSP. On that second link you put, Marie, they talk about DK and GSP being one and the same? Whatever they are, those are some gorgeous dogs on that site!

UWPCH CA GSJCH USUVCH Boogerman Loverboy Oskar TDI CGC
SHR UWP CH Abbe Lane's Prince of Darkness TAN NA-I RBIMBS
MarieUser is Offline
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01/24/2008 3:54 PM  
In talking with my husband and another friend who knows alot about dogs. They both think the DK which is German Shorthair in English, is direct from Germany expected to hunt both fur game passing the rabbit drags test extra besides all the upland game tests and they are not from American lines. Our GSPs are American lines and we donot use our GSP's for fur game hunting such as rabbit squirrel hunting as a rule. Over the years Americanized version of the German Shorthair has emerged that is leggier faster and bigger in the field capable giving the pointers and setters a run for their money.(TO THE POINT REF.) DK is direct not Americanized line from Germany. Where our German Shorthairs have been Americanized breed to be bigger faster ect than the original Shorthair Standards. The DK is a direct line of the German Shorthair from Germany. And because of being American GSP are not recognized by the F.C.I. Federation Cynoloqique internationale. It is very confusing and I just learned this today from looking it up in books and those 2 links.

Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab18/Annette_Merryfield/100_0285.jpg?t=1287205231
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01/24/2008 4:10 PM  
Emma is beautiful, Madonna. We are eager to learn more about the DKs. Welcome!
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01/24/2008 7:05 PM  

I wasn't going to reply here, but to Marie's post. Not all american breeders have bred for the type of dog she is refering to. A DK is a GS, just run through a different series of tests. Trust me, I judge them have been around them and had my hands on many. The test is the only difference. And they have to pass some tests before they can be bred, something which I like to think American breeders can do on there own without anyone telling them they have to.When they first started testing them here, amercian bred dogs were allowed to test, now they are not, or they would and would still pass with the same success rate they had before they were disallowed. I think anyone on this board that hunts there dogs will tell you the fur drive is still alive and well in the gs (american), we just don't use it as much, or promote it. We still run tests based loosley on the German system (NAVHDA) where the dogs are tested in tracking, waterwork,and fieldwork, handlers can use fur for the drags if they want, but I have not seen it happen.

 

Edited to say, welcom Madonna, your girl is beatiful, I am sure the tests will be a breeze. I am interested to hear of your hunting over there. What percent is birds and what is furred animals (we call them varmints!)?

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01/24/2008 8:27 PM  

Thank you Trey, you cleared the DK  Germany and GSP American difference and testing  meanings  for all of us non- knowing unaware GSP American lovers. It was so confusing for us and now really I understand why I have no more moles, gophers,possum and rabbits in my back yard since the addition of a GSP fur tacking dog is actually in this breed but never called upon to do so in America. Always thought Rocky was doing something wrong and out of ordinary and it really is in the GS  Both the DK and GSP are GS's but it is just the series of test are different for the DK to test (furkins),  GSP American- no furkins. But if we tested our American GSP's with furkin drags, they would pass with flying colors because it is deep seated in the GSP Breed. Both the DK and The GSP are GS's


Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab18/Annette_Merryfield/100_0285.jpg?t=1287205231
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01/24/2008 8:30 PM  

Here is a picture of a DK taken from one of the DK licks


Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab18/Annette_Merryfield/100_0285.jpg?t=1287205231
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01/24/2008 8:35 PM  

Here is a spoiled American GSP Rocky who goes after furkins every chance he gets


Marie and Rocky, a tall, high energy GSP
http://i845.photobucket.com/albums/ab18/Annette_Merryfield/100_0285.jpg?t=1287205231
madonnaUser is Offline
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01/24/2008 11:33 PM  
Dear, i love all dogs- if you like to hunt with a GSP and it is good for you- fine. if someone like me likes the DK- fine, and i like also retrievers and DD ... i train them all. Greeting- nice Pics! my beloved astor von der himmelsleiter was called Rocky- died 27.3.2005

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madonnaUser is Offline
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01/25/2008 3:19 AM  

Dear, i must admite, that i never hunt on birds- i only hunt on boar, on deer or fox.very much blood stalking. pointing and field search only for testing
and, the training of my dogs differs much from a bird dog- we begin training with retrieving, drags, blood-tracking- oboedience.
emma did her hunting ability test with 10 months, but has no test in pointing and field search at this time- we call this test derby.  we do this in april  . perhaps you will look at my homepage? www.deutsch-kurzhaar-von-der-himmelsleiter-homepage-ms.de


greeting madonna


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01/25/2008 5:55 AM  
Hi madonna,
Emma is looking great.
This is a nice site to visit. Many of the posters do obedience,agility,hunting,participate is different types of hunting tests and other activities with their dogs.

Francine


"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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01/25/2008 6:27 AM  
Visited the website, great pictures of dogs. I loved the one on Elka's page of her jumping the creek with the fox in her mouth. (Since I don't understand German at all, I am assuming that is the dogs name on that one!)
When you use your dogs to blood track, do you have them on site with you when the animals are shot, or bring them up later (I have read of it being done both ways, but ours are always on the scene way after the fact). How many animals a year do you suppose you use your dogs on?
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01/25/2008 7:09 AM  
Marie....Look at Madonna's Rocky on her website. Do you see a certain resemblance??
Could be Rocky's long lost German cousin!

Madonna,
Beautiful website although I don't understand German at all!
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