pixie bee
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| 09/13/2010 11:13 AM |
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These are show dogs. Maybe I'm missing itTthey say they place a high degree of emphasis on genetic issues but I don't see any testing listed on their site for the parents. Can they send you scanned documents proving the testing and results?
How active are they in NAVHDA? What other formats do they test in? Do they have unbiased,objective judgments of their dogs hunting ability?
Just some questions.
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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nmu98
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| 09/13/2010 11:13 AM |
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Trueblue,
I am not looking at any vonweider dogs any more.
What i would like is a great house pet that we can work with to be a very good hunting dog. I will never run competitions. I would like a dog that will listen and follow commands. Nothing too crazy.
How can I contact Jim Yates?
I see that eulenhof has a written guarantee and pointerdogs says nothing about health or really anything on his site. |
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nmu98
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| 09/13/2010 11:15 AM |
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Posted By pixie bee on 09/13/2010 11:13 AM
These are show dogs. Maybe I'm missing itTthey say they place a high degree of emphasis on genetic issues but I don't see any testing listed on their site for the parents. Can they send you scanned documents proving the testing and results?
How active are they in NAVHDA? What other formats do they test in? Do they have unbiased,objective judgments of their dogs hunting ability?
Just some questions.
Are you talking about eulenhof?
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pixie bee
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| 09/13/2010 11:17 AM |
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Run from this kennel as well.
You are in prime Deutsche Kurzhaar territory.
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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pixie bee
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| 09/13/2010 11:19 AM |
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| Yes. |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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nmu98
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| 09/13/2010 11:23 AM |
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| eulenhof is off the list also then. I will google Deutsche Kurzhaar. |
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cane72
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| 09/13/2010 11:55 AM |
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nmu98,
I was kind of in the same position that you were at one time. I ended up rescuing a dog from TEXAS GSP RESCUE, when I lived in TX. I rescued Graham when he was 5 months old, he will actually be 1 tomorrow. All I knew about him was that he was found as a stray in Oklahoma City. My wifes uncle and I have been working with graham the last couple of months to get him ready for bird season. As of yesterday Graham has pointed every bird we planted, and whoa'd very well. He is turning great. We introduced him to the water last week as well, he was unsure last week about it and would only go in a bout a 1/4 of the way. Yesterday we would throw bird out to the middle of the pond and he would go all the way and retrieve. We also started "dead bird" yesterday and has caught on.
I guess what im trying to say is that I took a risk by adopting a GSP and knew going in that he may or may not hunt, but either way I was going love that dog. He has been great so far and is coming along great with his hunting training. he is very driven. The best part is, I got to help and organization and save a GSP. We only paid 250, because he was still a pup. In my eyes I got a great deal. Hope it all goes well in your decision. |
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Texas Belle
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| 09/13/2010 12:23 PM |
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Some other resources you might find helpful. The parent club is GSPCA and here is a link www.gspca.org/. This is a good place to start understanding the breed and the health clearances recommended for the breed and finding regional clubs. They even list some breeders, but I would start with the regional club as there are many good breeders that do not go through the process to be listed as a breeder on the GSPCA site. There are two clubs in Michigan: www.gspca.org/General/memberClubs.html#MI you could start with. Also there is a link to the National GSP Rescue folks and they could point you to the local contacts for GSP rescue: www.gspca.org/Rescue/index.html
If you want to know if the parents of the puppy you are looking at have their health clearances the Orthopedic Foundation of America website is the place to start. You can do a search for the sire or dam an it will list the tests and the results. This assumes the breeder sent in their info. If they didn't I would move on to another breeder. Here is a link for FA: www.offa.org/.
These links should get you started on finding the right contacts in your area and those folks can connect you to many more. Good luck. There are some nice dogs out there so be picky and ask allot of questions. Any breeder worth anything will take the time and answer your questions. |
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Texas Belle
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| 09/13/2010 12:33 PM |
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I looked at the sites you listed and two things stand out to me 1) they do not list any health clearances. At a minimum you should see OFA Hips (ro Penn Hip), OFA Elbows, Cardiac and CERF (eyes). Some dogs will be CHIC certified too which means they have done all of the above and more, 2) Pedigrees that show the versatility of the dogs (meaning DCs, CHs, MH, SH, JH, FC, AFC, CD, etc). You have to go way back on the one sight to find a dog with anything but a CH. Granted Stradivarius Baroque was a great dog and is a Hall of Famer, he is still several generations back. Remember that most of what a pup inherits is from the Dam and Sire and it dilutes for each generation you go back in a pedigree. Do you homework and be prepared to ask allot of questions. A good breeder will likewise ask you allot of questions too. Good Luck in your search.
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
Yellow Rose GSPs
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zodiakgsps
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| 09/13/2010 1:14 PM |
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You have been given a LOT of great advice here, I have to agree with all said.
I ask a lot of particulars to prospective buyers as to what they have planned with pup, where it will be housed, etc. I recently turned away 2 people for a pup I have available yet for differing reasons. Like Jean and Bev, my pups are raised in the house with a lot of socialization, I also intro birds, travel, crating, retrieving before they leave me. I think these things make a big difference in the pups before they leave!! |
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singltrak
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| 09/13/2010 2:08 PM |
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Ditto what Ann and Jean have had to say! My pups are raised in the house (which sort of like my big kennel!-LOL!), get bird intro, crate training, etc. before they leave...and they don't go til they are 8-10 weeks of age ! By the time I get thru with a prospective Singltrak puppy owner, they hopefully will know as much about me as I do about them...and that is almost everything but the family secrets! 
Look at your pedigrees, check for health clearances-minimal is OFA Hips or PennHip, but truly much more should be cleared for potential problems down the line. The requirements for a CHIC (Canine Health thru Orthopedic Foundation for Animals) for Shorthairs are OFA Hip Clearance, CERF, Cone Degeneration and OFA Cardiac clearance. OFA Elbows are NOT part of the CHIC designation.
Sometimes it is crazy trying to match up puppies with the right people, but I am pretty sure that Marcia (Splat) can attest to the fact that Striker fits in pretty darn well with their family. Best of luck to you in your search!
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trueblushorthairs
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| 09/13/2010 2:51 PM |
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I send you a PM with Jim's phone number.
Even though I mention FC, AFC, MH, etc. , that is not to say that you must compete or buy a dog that many would consider "high powered" due to its breeding. However, dogs that have been proven in the field, trials, tests, and hunting wild birds, have a far better chance to produce nice hunting dogs than dogs that have been trotted around a show ring or run through obedience courses. Many are of the opinion that a dog from this type of breeding is just "too much dog" or "too high powered" to be a family pet. Far far far from the truth. My two Field Champions are like old Duke from the Beverly Hillbillies in the house. I've had people ask if they're sick. They know when it's time to roll and when it's time to be calm and lie around. Just don't count on hunting skills from puppies out of a breeding of dogs purely cause they are two GSPs. Make sure, if you want an effective hunting companion, you buy from dogs proven. Don't buy into the line "from great hunting lines". Make the breeder prove their dogs hunt by working the dogs for you!!! |
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DesertRoseKennel
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| 09/13/2010 3:39 PM |
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If Ann (zodiakgsps) has any pups left, that's the first place I'd be looking myself...I think Bev's are all sold.
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tnbndr
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Splat
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| 09/14/2010 5:08 AM |
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Posted By trueblushorthairs on 09/13/2010 2:51 PM
I send you a PM with Jim's phone number.
Even though I mention FC, AFC, MH, etc. , that is not to say that you must compete or buy a dog that many would consider "high powered" due to its breeding. However, dogs that have been proven in the field, trials, tests, and hunting wild birds, have a far better chance to produce nice hunting dogs than dogs that have been trotted around a show ring or run through obedience courses. Many are of the opinion that a dog from this type of breeding is just "too much dog" or "too high powered" to be a family pet. Far far far from the truth. My two Field Champions are like old Duke from the Beverly Hillbillies in the house. I've had people ask if they're sick. They know when it's time to roll and when it's time to be calm and lie around. Just don't count on hunting skills from puppies out of a breeding of dogs purely cause they are two GSPs. Make sure, if you want an effective hunting companion, you buy from dogs proven. Don't buy into the line "from great hunting lines". Make the breeder prove their dogs hunt by working the dogs for you!!!
Yes Striker is fitting in very well...he has our routine down pat and boy does he get excited when the kids come home from school!
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momsgspz
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| 09/14/2010 5:54 AM |
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| Ann has some very nice puppies!! And she does a lot with them! (Zodiak) i would look there also! |
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nmu98
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| 09/14/2010 6:53 AM |
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| I am set on purchasing a dog from Ann, I just need to find a way to get it. |
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pixie bee
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| 09/14/2010 7:02 AM |
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Good choice. You won't be disappointed.
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Texas Belle
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| 09/14/2010 7:28 AM |
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| Nice choice. Ann has awesome dogs. As for getting it, where there is a will there is a way. Can't wait to see pictures. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
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Splat
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| 09/14/2010 8:26 AM |
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| You could just make a weekend trip...MI to PA shouldn't be too bad! |
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