leebo5566 Atlanta, GA
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| 08/26/2010 5:08 AM |
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Have you had any success using an underground pet fence? I'm really curious about them but I have two friends that have them. One says it works like a charm and the other says the the dog jumps right through it.
My backyard is fenced, but I'm thinking about making a line across until the puppy chewing stage is passed. And if I have people over and I don't want the dogs all over the place i can put them on it for a while. The puppy loves being outside, but he is being destructo-dog after 5 minutes. |
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Splat Illinois (Northern)
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| 08/26/2010 5:14 AM |
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Not sure if there is an age for under ground fencing so that is something to think about, he might be too young for one...I know e-collars they should be no younger than 6 months and that is sometimes pushing it... Since your yard is fenced and you are looking to just block of portions I think you could safely use the under ground fence. I know some people who love it and say it works great and they don't even have a regular fence just the e-fence, but then high prey drive can totally wipe out the intensity of the shock and some dogs will just ignore it...so it depends on the dog... |
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unowhoandwhy Middleofnowhere, NH
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| 08/26/2010 5:19 AM |
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I have just the underground fence, but I don't live anywhere near the road. Where you already have a physical fence it would make a great back-up plan. I am very happy with it... except when the power goes out! Or, you could also get an electric fence (places like Tractor Supply have cheap wire & solar-powered power supplies), and run a "hot" wire along top & bottom. That would work just as well & you wouldn't have to remember to put the fence collar on every time you let her out in the yard. Good luck! |
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tnbndr New Berlin, Wisconsin
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| 08/26/2010 5:25 AM |
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I have an invisible fence that I had installed when I acquired our first GSP. She was trained on it within one month and she can be chasing a rabbit full speed and stops on a dime when she gets near the line. She was 3 yrs old when acquired. Our other GSP acquired at 4 yrs old trained in about the same amount of time but I still don't trust her completely. She won't leave for people or other dogs but her prey drive has not been tested fully. They need to know some commands and probably should be e-collar broke so I don't know if a puppy will train easily. I did a lot of walking the borders on a lead and when we approach the flags (which is there cue to back off) I would pull back and give the here command. Once they are backing off on the flag sighting, you introduce the collar which beeps when approaching the border as a warning. Listen for the beep and repeat the pull and here command. Eventually they associate the beep with here and turn around. That is the response that you want. Both dogs only had to recieve the stimulation a couple of times before they started avoiding it. I would not be without the invisible fence as I live on a fairly busy intersection. |
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JMSGunner Bucks County, PA
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| 08/26/2010 5:51 AM |
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We had one installed and got Gun on it about 3 weeks ago. So far so good. If he gets near and hears that beep, he backs away. We have over 2 acres so for us to physically fence the yard would run our bank accounts dry! We were told 4 months is when you can introduce the collar and training, and the pups are at that time ready to associate your command or the word "no" with the fence. I am still not fully confident with Gun obeying the fence and have not seen him running full speed chasing something yet, so for that reason I check on him every fifteen minutes or so. (Usually he is just prancing around or stalking butterflies - HA) We do have a problem spot between the front of our house and the guardrail of the road (we live on a very curvy dangerous road) where sometimes he "forgets" how close he is and will get a little shock. Thankfully it is on the lowest setting but we have to do some additional training in that spot and also the spot leading to the creek. They do have certain companies who have a fence that works differently if your dog is walking or running. I went through a company called Petstop... The collar detects the speed of the dog and will push the beep back further from the fence line, or forget the beep at all and will go right to shock if they are not slowing down when approaching the fence. Kind of interesting. They do sell a portable electric fence that I've heard works really good, though it works in a circle, but I think you can make the radius smaller or bigger. |
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Jackie & Gunner
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pvstks
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| 08/26/2010 7:52 AM |
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We have Invisible Fence brand and, I believe, it all comes down to adequate training. The reason they do or do not work has little to do with the dog, more to do with how well they are prepared. I live on a fairly busy suburban street with cars, walkers, joggers, people walking dogs, riding bikes, etc... I feel very confident that he won't break the line, however, I still never let him out alone. We have a traditional fenced back yard (which is "reinforced" with invisible fence) which is about 70' x 30' -- not huge, but he can still romp around and I can let him out there by himself for a while. Until he was about a year old and I got him to stop digging (another subject) I felt that I had to be out with him there too.
Bottom line: I believe that they work very well given the proper training. You can save about 50% by installing it yourself and doing your own training if you feel confident doing both. For me, it wasn't worth the effort to dig the trenches, drill the hole in the brick, etc.. I paid someone to do in 2 - 3 hours what would have taken me 2 days to do myself. I also got a "free" in-home unit that I can use to keep him out of rooms/areas that he shouldn't be in. I think every home should have one "dog free" room. We have chosen our living room. That way if someone elderly or with a young baby (who is not fond of dogs) comes to visit, I don't have to put Wolfgang in his crate -- we simply use the "dog free zone". |
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leebo5566 Atlanta, GA
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| 08/26/2010 9:26 AM |
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Thanks for the responses everyone. He is four months old and really, really smart. He is amazing with the sit, handshake, and stay command. And even outside of the yard, 9 times out of 10 if I whistle he comes right to me. I know that recall will be tested once he gets older and more adventurous. So, I feel confident I could train him in it. But he has recently discovered jumping...and jumping up on people. We are working on that one now. PVSTKS nailed it. I have six young nieces and nephews who come over often. The older ones love him but the younger ones are still scared of any dog. And if I have people over for a cookout on the back deck, I don't want them to be all over the people and have to crate them. I may eventually go with it. I have a great backyard for dogs, I just don't want the new guy tearing it up during puppy stage. My question is, during the training, do you take up the flags when you are not in the training process? When they don't have the collar on? |
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pvstks
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| 08/26/2010 11:05 AM |
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| During training which usually takes 3 - 4 weeks, the flags stay in the ground. My dog doesn't have to have his collar on to know where his boundaries lie. I have forgotten to put the collar on Wolfgang a few times, but he doesn't test his boundaries. It's a pain to keep the flags in the ground, but it would be too confusing to the dog (I think) to place them and remove them often. |
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pixie bee
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| 08/26/2010 11:19 AM |
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I don't have any experience with these types of restraining fences but I'd like to give my thoughts. Why this type of restraint? Why not build the dog an indoor/outdoor run? You never have to worry where the dog is or have to recall, the dog is guarenteed not to annoy guests and no one will step in any 'accidents". |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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Splat Illinois (Northern)
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| 08/26/2010 11:55 AM |
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Pixie I had thought about suggesting what you did too... Then after reading the other post by leebo I thought maybe the ease of being able to have some of the kids go into the dog area and play with the dog would be hard with an outdoor kennel... I think if you use the e-fence you have to consider where and what part of the yard you want for the dog and which for the people and the ease of letting the dog out into its part...if you have the back part away from the house as dog area you then have to walk the dog out to its area and put the collar on and then leave and then go back out take collar off and bring the dog in...unless you are only using that area for certain times and not just potty time...but then that brings up is that gonna be too hard for the dog to understand...sometimes I can be in this area and other times I can't...I think I would split off a left and right side and let the dog have the part that has the door so you can keep the collar on and you can let the dog in and out as it pleases, but this might not be possible since you are also trying to avoid plant destruction which I am guessing is planted by the house? |
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pvstks
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| 08/26/2010 11:55 AM |
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| well, I don't have the room indoors and, if I built something like that in my yard, everyone in my housing plan would be in front of my house with torches and pitchforks. It's the right solution in my case. |
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JMSGunner Bucks County, PA
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| 08/26/2010 12:25 PM |
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Here's how the flag thing was explained to us, we skipped week 2, and have been in week 3 for about 2 weeks. I feel he needs a little more training. We haven't been 100% consistent. Week 1 - flags all in about 4-5 feet apart. you go to random flags, shake and say "no." when the dog backs up or doesn't come near you he gets praised. dog is on a leash at all times. you do this training about 10-15 minutes once a day. Week 2 - flags all in. first half, on a leash at all times, don't let him go near the fence. second half - long leash to be able to correct him and pull him back towards you if he gets to the fence. Week 3 - flags all in. left out 10-15 minutes at a time by himself. Week 4- take out every other flag ever day until there are no flags left. Of course, everyone will be different. But this seemed to have worked so far with us. |
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Jackie & Gunner
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unowhoandwhy Middleofnowhere, NH
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| 08/26/2010 12:31 PM |
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I'm lazy & left the flags in, mostly because it was a pain to put in almost 3 acres worth on my steep hillside & I don't feel like trudging around to retrieve them. Some people don't have the space or money to install a physical fence or an outdoor kennel. Or they may live in a place that has strict housing association rules. The invisible fence works very well with most dogs as long as they are properly trained. I installed my own & it didn't cost much at all. The best part is, you don't have to bury all of the wire, just the parts that are on your lawn or in other areas where it might get in the way of mowers, kids, cars, etc. I would say that about 50 feet of the 3 acres I have enclosed is buried, 15 feet under the driveway & the rest right near the house. |
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JMSGunner Bucks County, PA
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| 08/26/2010 2:22 PM |
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| I feel ya on being too lazy to take the flags out. Eventually I'll get around to it I guess... |
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Jackie & Gunner
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tnbndr New Berlin, Wisconsin
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| 08/26/2010 6:17 PM |
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Lots of subdivisions have rules about physical fences. That is what made the Invisible fence take off. At least around here.
Meeka does not need her collar on at all anymore, in fact it is on Zelda and I may not even purchase a second one. We leave them out alone for extended periods and do not worry about them. Couple of times they have disappeared only to be found lounging in the flower beds in the shade.
To test your dog at at a run or speed, when your training is far enough, I just would play ball or frisbee with them and during the game throw it out of bounds and see if they stop. Both of our dogs are aware of the boundaries and will stop chasing the ball as it goes out of bounds. |
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carlower1 Kansas
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| 08/27/2010 5:57 AM |
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I use a wireless fencing unit, and it has worked like a charm! W did try to surge through it a couple of times but I set his collar high enough that it was a serious discouragement. A few months ago I lost power for several days thanks to a storm... I discovered that he knows exactly where his limits are.. he ran up to his border and stopped... didn't even test it, which I was thankful for since with no power I had no fence The only difference I am seeing with the wireless and the underground is that they can smell or hear the electricity with the wired systems, and know when they are off. Carrie |
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pixie bee
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| 08/27/2010 7:01 AM |
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Good points. We have about 4 acres in the front of our property and one border is only feet away from our cabin. The dogs know,almost from day one, what the boundaries are. I can leave Haiko completely alone for hours and he's only laying down,rolling on his back. Bregon, on the other hand, will not cross the line but does not plop down and hang - I feel he still needs to be watched - you never know - he may need to defend us against a chipmunk! This type of fence sounds great - if it works. Is there a money back guarentee if it doesn't? Torches and pitchforks? (too funny) They need a chill pill. Francine |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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WiscoCooper Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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| 08/28/2010 10:51 PM |
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Growing up, my family's dogs (Golden Retrievers) were on an invisible fence system and always knew their boundaries- with or without their collar on. We installed the same system that my parents use (PetSafe Stubborn Dog) so the dogs could use their own collars in either yard. We waited until Cooper was close to a year to train him on the fence, simply because it was too hard to train him in the winter because it was too dark before and after work to teach him his boundaries. He picked up on it right away, to the point where he doesn't need to wear his collar regularly. He knows his boundaries at our home, my parent's house, and my in-laws house (we have a collar there for him, too). Even at a new house without a collar he obeys general backyard boundaries (which may be a result of successful invisible fence training, or maybe more a reflection of his personality.) He will stop dead in his tracks even at full tilt after a bird, frisbee, passerby, etc. While we've had incredible success and I swear by invisible fences, our dog simply isn't a bolter. I can see how truly stubborn or prey-driven dogs might break through them. But I've only seen them work like a charm. And I think the freedom they bring to both the dog and owner definitely makes them worth a shot! Good luck!! |
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JMSGunner Bucks County, PA
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| 08/29/2010 5:42 AM |
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| Pixie, the company I used has a money back policy if the dog gets out. They'll come back and retrain and if he gets out again I would get all my money back. |
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Jackie & Gunner
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