some of you guys know Remington was my GSP and went missing. unforunately, he was never found. however, the breeder of Remington had another litter and i decided to get another one from him. this time i picked a female, I will have one of Remington's sister, Sophia.

This time, i am gonna be cautious of when shes going out for her break time. Im investing some money for a Garmin Astro GSP locator/collar. this time if shes gonna be outside the fence, shes gonna wear this so i know where she is at all times. call me over protective, i cant let my future pup grow up and run away again or get taken by someone else again. i cant bear that. Remington was a huge loss for me.

here are some pictures. Sophia is now 3 weeks old.

 also if anyone is wanting a purebred GSP, there are 7 males avail for sale and is listed in Litter/stud/pups wanted section.

 believe it or not, the remaining litter are for sale for 175.00/ea

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 Birdman I think Sophia is a cutie and I am sure you will love her no matter what, but as a GSP owner and now a breeder I have to agree with pixie on hip testing.  Statistics tell the story here.  You are correct that GSPs have a good health record and that is great, but in order to prevent our breed from becoming prone to things like hip dysplasia and other health issues the parent club has done an excellent job in recommending the appropriate health clearances and guidelines to the breeders.  Having hips and elbows checked along with eyes and heart have gone along way to improving our healthy breed and making it even healthier.  As an example, look at the statistics on hip dysplasia from OFA for our beloved breed.  If you look you are correct in that only 6.9% of shorthairs tested back in the 70s - 80s were dysplastic, but also note as time, testing and smart breeding progresses the dysplastic number goes down and the dogs rated excellent increases. Which means that today even fewer shorthairs have hip dysplasia.  This is a direct result of the testing and the conscientous breeding done by breeders over the decades.  In this case, the numbers do tell a story.  Not all dysplasia is genetic, but the experts agree that there is a genetic component.  My question is why not test? It can only help the breed and it certainly won't hurt it.

Breed	Rating Total Dogs	Born to 1980	Born 1990-92	Born 2000-02	Born 03-04	Change 1980 to 03-04
GERMAN SHORTHAIRED POINTER	Excellent Dysplastic Total Dogs	19.8% 6.9% 1371	22.4% 4.9% 1624	26.7% 2.0% 1767	30.1% 2.8% 2338	52.0% -59.4%

How can you sit there and type that post birdman?

Insulting the breed? Really?
It's what keeps the breed I and so many love capable of performing the function it was created for.
The reason why hips are better now and keep getting better is b/c responsible breeders do the leg work to make it so.

do you think you have the perfect dogs??? no one does.. but they are speicial to you no matter what health problems they develop... am i wrong?? seriously?

I didn't know special was synonymous with breedable.

Read up on genotype and phenotype.

Hips are not a guarentee in this breed - anyone who believes that is either ignorant or trying to sell something w/o the added expense and trouble of guaranteeing their product.

Your friend is going on an assumption.

I wish him and you the best with the pups. But the readers of this forum should know your friends litter has little to back up health,temperment and performance. 175 is still 175 - it ain't that cheap.

One of the reasons I have DKs is b/c of the breeding regulations. A dog can not be bred w/o  qualifying hips. This means every dog bred in the system and every dog before them has qalifying hips. And you know what - it still occurs. It's less than 1% - but it's out there.

Careful breeding is what keeps the numbers low.

best wishes,

hips arent guarenteed??? so why the need for x-rays? how do you know that if it doesnt show now, that it could show in 6 weeks later or 7 years from now? assumptions? id say let the person call the breeder, talk to them, even take a pup to a vet and get it checked out, check the history from pedigree.... posting an x-ray doesnt eliiminate anything. you can get cancer anytime... so what happens if you picked the "perfect" dog and showed no hip problems... say one of your dogs, all the sudden developed hip problems next year.. what are yopu gonna do? shoot it and say i cant have you no more bc youre not perfect? (Edited by Mod: References to Historic Tragedy WILL NOT be tolerated!)

nope.. not assumptions. been breeding for a long time now, no complaints and he takes them in every week to be checked til they go to homes, and he does check their homes to make sure the dogs are fit for that home.

175 is pretty good since this is gonna be ginger's last litter. normally he charges more than 200.. but since these were ginger's last litter, he wanted to make a good deal.

and you dont know the breeder, so you are on assumptions as well. this is why people like you assume than to call and ask these questions yourself but assumed it...

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apparently he qualified to breed the dogs and has a litter. the are AKC purebred dogs and have predigree going back 4 generations.. but again, assumptions im sure.

1% is better than the average 12% that are rated for labs. i found that Bulldogs rate the #1 for hip problems, Shorthairs come in 138th place out of 150 for hip problems and they didnt just list the dogs, there were a rate for main coon cats.

but of course that was dated in 2003...




pixie, it seems you lead this crowd so i stand down. im leaving this god forbidden site. a few of my forums i discuss this matter and asked should hip dis should be required for a site to post a litter, guess what. they found it retarded. i told them i agree, they said if those people can say such rule, should not breed and have kids! i find it humorous!

She is definitely a looker birdman, I'm sure you'll have good years ahead with her!

As to Pixie pointing out the request for Hip X-rays, it is a requirement of the forum to supply the 2 generations and Hip info to post litters and had she not, I  or someone else would have and I would have been forced to delete your post if you could not provide the info. Just rules and nothing against you, the Breeder, or the pups. Trust me, everyone here LOVES Shorthairs and the only thing they LOVE MORE, is Shorthair pups.

As to your above, I would have to question who these so called experts are and where they get there info. Bev has already pulled some of the info for your consideration in answer(Thank You Bev!) and here is a link to more statistics in regards to health issues in GSP's: GSP BREED STATS

Here is just some general break down of a few health concerns in the Breed from January 1974 through December 2009:

Hips:

Elbows:

Cardiac:

Thyroid:

These are just a few and almost surely well underestimated in all accounts, as a VERY LARGE % are most certainly not Tested, or results not posted to OFA if the results were unfavorable. These numbers are getting better as shown by Bev's post, due to concientious Breeders trying to do their best to improve the Health of the Breed.

Please understand, Pixie was not trying to pick, just letting the rules of posting be known and hopefully provide some info to help you understand the reason these Test are important to the Breed and why Rick requires them for posting here, in the best interest of the Breed.

Sophia is a darling pup.

I look at buying a pup as it being a buyer's market--especially in this economy.  There are a lot of good genetically tested and hunted/hunt titled matings out there, so I have plenty to choose from.  That's my choice.  I am easily heartbroken when it comes to my dogs...and don't have the thousands of dollars it can take to fix some of these genetic problems (such as HD) when they occur.  Is buying a pup with good OFA (hips tested) tested lineage behind it a 100% guarantee that I won't have hip problems?  The answer would be no.  But it is my attempt at making an informed decision, and hedging a bet that I will have a happy, healthy, long lived hunting partner.

Birdman, I'm on other sites as well, and I've yet to hear anyone say how ridiculous hip checks are.  We evidently don't run in the same german shorthaired circles.  The other sites I'm on don't require it to post, but it's almost a given that folks will ask about hip checks.  You're doing a lot of trash talking, being that the rules to post were posted.