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07/21/2010 8:02 AM  

We just got our SportDog sd400 about a week and a half ago, and I have thoroughly read the manual that came with it a few times.  We have been putting the collar on her for a few hours a day when doing "fun" stuff (without turning it on or using it) so she doesn't get collar wise.  I've tried the collar on myself on settings 1,2,3,4,5 (out of 8) and its not too bad to I feel comfortable trying it on Joey now.

My question is how we should start using it.  In the book it says to only use it on the lowest setting and do a few COME-nick-COME so they associate the nick with coming, and to only do about 3 nicks in one session and then call it a day on actually sending a zap.  Should we just continue this routine for a few days?  Do you have any other tips?

Strangely although the remote has a tone button, it doesn't mention it in the manual.  I've read people on the forum talk about always doing a tone-nick, so ultimately the dog will know just the tone means business.

The manual is clear that the collar should only be used to reinforce commands she already knows.  She does well with come, heel, sit, stay in the house but its a different story off leash outside.  We've had a couple scares lately where she has bolted and really want the collar to make us feel more secure when shes off leash and ultimately give her more freedom.  I think shes going through a testy teen phase right now and I would like to squash it.  We live in a relatively urban area and really need control when she is off leash. 

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07/21/2010 8:24 AM  
My feeling about wearing the collar is if you put it on only when you do stuff then the dog WILL become collar wise. It's difficult not to become collar wise and the best way is to put it on first thing in the morning and take it off last thing at night.
Your issue off leash is that you have not fully taught the command - I know you think you have and it makes perfect sense to YOU - but dogs don't tranfer the learning to other areas as quickly as we think they do.
Wouldn't an e-collar seminar be nice? I would love for someone to travel around the country training users in the proper use of the tool.
Maybe one day.


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07/21/2010 8:55 AM  

I think control off leash (particularly in suburban or urban enviros) comes down to simply reliable recall.  If your dog only listens while on a leash, or while in the house you don't have reliable recall.  Your ecollar can help aid in the training, but can't make your dog listen to and understand you.  As time goes on with my 2 crazy dogs I use stimulation less and less.  I have learned how to apply pressure with voice inflection, whistle commands and pure expectation, and they just somehow seem to get it.  I always have the ecollar as back up in case something goes screwy in their head, but seldom use or need it.  Keep in mind I'm no dog trainer, I just spend a lot of time with my dogs and we kind of get one another.

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07/21/2010 10:00 AM  
mine has a tone only on it too, and 90% of the time if i need to use the collar on Roo it's beep only and he'll respond after being nicked during training and a few times when out. The only time he ever needs it is when we walk with other dogs and he ignores me if he's playing etc as i don't trust other dogs especially when on leashes. But obviously you have to shock and beep simultaneously so they associate the two before you can expect the beep only to work.

I didn't train come-nick-come i only did it to reinforce if a command was ignored. ie come and if ignored come with a shock then release as he's running towards me. But that's just what worked for me.

Good luck! Like pixie said it would be sooooo much easier to have seminars!!
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07/21/2010 1:09 PM  
Tessa wore her collar for 6 weeks at home, outside, onleash and offleash. When we went "live", I tested for the level she responds to (a glance, flick of the ear, anything that signals that she felt the nick, even if subtle) and used that as her baseline. It was higher than I thought it would be (7 of 18). At first I used the collar for recalls only. By then she had a fairly solid recall and definitely knew what it meant and I used the collar to enforce a recall if she didn't respond - "come" - dog doesn't respond - continuous stimulation until dog responds - stopping stimulation as soon as dog starts moving into my direction (turns around, takes a step towards me) - lots of praise as dog comes in. The idea is that the dog who knows the command but chooses to disobey it, will experience an unpleasant stimulation which he himself can stop by simply doing as told. Eventually the dog becomes pro-active, learning it can avoid the stimulation by responding to command immediately which makes for a snappy recall.

I never repeat the command (well, I try not to), I also don't use the buzzer as an intermediate warning - "come" - buzzer - stimulation - as I want the dog to respond right away.

I agree a traveling seminar would be great.

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07/21/2010 3:41 PM  
I use trained the recall same as Tessa. There some threads already on the ecollar training with allot of good info. Try searching as they are worth the read.

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07/22/2010 7:00 AM  

Thanks bev, tessa and everyone who responded. I think I will basically do what you did then bev. I am going to try to stick to a schedule of leash training everyday (with the ecollar around her neck, not on) for another week or so, then go live with it, replacing the regular collar pop with an ecollar nick. Then, start to work off leash using the ecollar as you are saying bev.

I agree about the tone use, you don't really have time to do tone-nick, when you want immediate response.  I guess I'll have to worry about that later in training.

I searched on youtube and found the vids from tri-tronics to be helpful and concise. Its a lot easier to digest in video form then read about. I am basically gonna use this approach:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KePCGgYVAyM&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMgzUJ-k3ow&feature=channel

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07/22/2010 8:43 AM  
BTW I eventually incorporated the tone (mine is a silent buzzer that only the dogs can hear) by teaching her the tone/buzzer means "come" (by simply using it as I am saying "come"). I sometimes use the silent recall instead of a verbal or whistle command. It's nice when I'm walking with someone and talking and want to call the dog but don't want to interrupt and holler, I just press the buzzer and she comes. It's like magic.

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07/22/2010 8:47 AM  
Tessa-

Sounds amazing.. I seriously can't wait!! I will take my time though...
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