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MissGloryUser is Offline
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05/06/2010 7:31 PM  

My GSP Glory is now 4 mos old, had her from 9 weeks. I have loved on her every single day since I brought her home, i.e. kiss her head/face, give her treats, praise her, spend daily time training her (can shake, switch paws, play dead, stay), keep her exercised to the point of exhaustion, never abused her, etc and she is still the most unaffectionate dog I have ever owned. This is my 1st GSP, but the only dog I've ever owned that didn't want to constantly be by my side, nudge me to pet on her head, cuddle, etc. I have even tried sitting in her doggy bed with her and she will get up and move to the other side of the room. It's very disheartening, as I got her as a "therapy dog" for my depression/anxiety. She definitely gets me out of bed in the morning (5am!) and I do get more exercise since getting her. But when I cry I'm used to my dog being right there to comfort me (nudge their head against me, lick my tears, look at me with soulful eyes, etc). She just keeps chewing her rawhide as if I'm not even there. She sleeps in her crate right next to the bedroom, but I plan to eventually let her sleep by my bedside when she's potty trained. So it's not like I don't make her feel like a part of the "pack".

What could I be doing wrong? Is this typical with the breed? I researched the breed months before getting her and everything I've read says they are generally loving, loyal and affectionate with their owners. Any suggestions? I really want to form a bond with my dog, this is just making me more depressed.

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05/06/2010 8:38 PM  
Could she not see you as the pack leader? It doesn't sound like she looks to you as god. Some things you could do to change her outlook:
Don't get up at 5 am unless that is when you normally get up. Sleep to your normal wake time.
Don't sit in the dog bed with her. Make her come to you if she wants petted or a treat.
When it is feeding time, you eat some of your food in front of her before you give her food. Adding some yogurt or cheese to her food works good as you can eat some of the yogurt or cheese first. But don't spoil her with food additives (i.e. cheese) Also, put her food bowl down for 15 or 30 minutes and then pick it back up, whether or not she has eaten. (you didn't have any info on feeding style in your post)
Make her sit and stay while you prep her food and put it down.
Ignore her a little bit (not neglect). Do something that is interesting for you - Watch TV, surf the internet, read a book, sew, knitt, whatever hobby or chore you have. Pretend you are dating and play hard to get, in other words.
If you are exercising her a lot, maybe she is tired and just wants to sleep.
Do you have a deep voice or a high-pitched voice? Speak as deep as you can to her.
Hopefully someone else will have more or better ideas.
Or maybe this is her personality. How are her parents and/or brothers and sisters?

John (human), Bearoff (gsp), Jenny (Plott), Sunshine (Heinz57 rip 11/4/2010), Terra (missing but still in my heart)
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05/06/2010 8:41 PM  
Plan fun activities with her, like long walks together in the fields trails. Trips to parks or lakes she may like to swim and retrieve a ball. GSPs love activity and trying new things. This may bond her closer to you. You could also take a beginning manners dog class and meet others who have dogs. Lots of stuff you can do with GSP's. Enjoy times when she does come up and lick your face and pet and love her as she accepts. Accept her for her the way she is and enjoy each moment of dog happiness you share with her. You will do great!!

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05/06/2010 8:47 PM  

I think there are some females that take a long time to bond, some are really out for themselves...Just give her time and keep showing her affection, she'll come around.


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05/06/2010 8:52 PM  
Posted By Terra's Owner on 05/06/2010 8:38 PM
Could she not see you as the pack leader? It doesn't sound like she looks to you as god. Some things you could do to change her outlook:
Don't get up at 5 am unless that is when you normally get up. Sleep to your normal wake time.
Don't sit in the dog bed with her. Make her come to you if she wants petted or a treat.
When it is feeding time, you eat some of your food in front of her before you give her food. Adding some yogurt or cheese to her food works good as you can eat some of the yogurt or cheese first. But don't spoil her with food additives (i.e. cheese) Also, put her food bowl down for 15 or 30 minutes and then pick it back up, whether or not she has eaten. (you didn't have any info on feeding style in your post)
Make her sit and stay while you prep her food and put it down.
Ignore her a little bit (not neglect). Do something that is interesting for you - Watch TV, surf the internet, read a book, sew, knitt, whatever hobby or chore you have. Pretend you are dating and play hard to get, in other words.
If you are exercising her a lot, maybe she is tired and just wants to sleep.
Do you have a deep voice or a high-pitched voice? Speak as deep as you can to her.
Hopefully someone else will have more or better ideas.
Or maybe this is her personality. How are her parents and/or brothers and sisters?


Wow, that sounds just like how I treated girls in junior high. 

I agree though. It's time to act a little more aloof with this pup, I think. She's still a very young pup, so don't ignore her, but you shouldn't be the one initiating all the contact. Let her come to you, and have a pocket full of treats when she does, so she starts to equate you with some excellent feedback. Keep at it, and I'm betting that she'll get closer to the kind of dog you were looking for. I can give you a lot of criticisms about this breed, but I've never met one that wasn't affectionate. You just need to bring it out of her by being a little more detached. 

And don't follow the advice to sleep in to your regular time unless she's in a crate, or you'll end up with a floor full of you know what. 

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05/06/2010 9:44 PM  
You are trying too hard. Lighten up and quit trying to make her your friend. Do some training with her, maybe take a puppy class. Start taking her places with you. Do fun activities. She is still very young at 4 months and learning all about her world. You will be surprised at how she comes around. My shorthairs are the most affectionate dogs I have owned. That said they are not pushy, in your face dogs, but they will hang out with me and lay next to me when I need cheering up. Give her some time, as I said before, she is still a baby.

Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)

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05/07/2010 1:27 AM  

I think you are putting alot on the withers of this very young pup. Even an adult dog would have trouble reading your emotions after just two months together. This is a marathon not a sprint. If she is lying contentedly chewing, she is happy and she trusts you. You must be doing something right.  I wouldn't change the way you interact with her. Give it some more time you've got a lot to learn about one another.

MissGloryUser is Offline
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05/07/2010 1:34 AM  

I think you're right about her not seeing me as the pack leader. My husband has a very deep voice. I try not to baby talk to her, but still I do have a higher pitched voice, of course. He is also the one that generally corrects her when she's naughty. We do wait for her to sit and stay before we set her food dish down. She likes when I play my guitar, so that's when I don't pay her much attention. I have also armed myself with treats from now as an incentive to come over and give me some attention. I can already tell she is going to be a very well behaved and smart dog. 

I appreciate all the suggestions. It all makes sense to me now. I shoulda read my Ceasar Millan book about being the pack leader! 

 

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05/07/2010 2:01 AM  

Sounds awful but a lot of Ceaser Millan's advice can be followed in the wrong way so be careful

Ditto the others in that I think you are trying to hard. The more I "make myself available" to Hogan - the more aloof he becomes. As soon as I find something else to give my attention to (TV, book, laptop, partner) he comes running

Keep going with it. Do lots of training and that will help you bond.

Keep your chin up

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05/07/2010 2:27 AM  
There is some great advice that has been listed but one thing stood out to me. I saw you list several things that you are doing to her that you think might be affectionate, but in dog language it is taken as you being submissive, if not down right aggressive to her.

1. you kiss the top of her head... Stop doing this for now, while to humans this is affectionate to dogs it can be seen two ways, first is potentially aggressiveness on your behalf. The second is that it places you as submissive to her (submissive dogs always groom the dominant dog)

2. Sitting in her bed with her... you are going to her, and forcing yourself into her space (once again an aggressive move) not the other way around. Make her come to you and want to come to you. When she does, try to find her favorite scratching spots and focus on them.

3. Exercising her to the point of exhaustion.. When we run Wachter to this point the only thing he wants to do is curl up with his chew toy and ignore the world. While it is great that you are exercising her, step it down just a bit, remember, she is just a puppy.

4. Your husband is the disciplinarian... Once again you are not taking a dominant role.... This may sound counter productive but a dog looks positively to the one who gives them proper guidance. I am not saying abuse her... be gentle but firm. (This is the only part I disagree with on what was listed before, I have always raised female dogs and never had an issue with the lack of depth in my tone. In my case all my animals have always seen me as the dominant pack leader, since my ex husband rarely did anything positive or negative towards them.)

Finally, keep in mind she is still a puppy and therapy dogs take several years to develop. This is not something where you pick up a dog and POOF they are suddenly perfect in everything you need them to do. You are expecting a lot out of a little child, and because of that she is failing your expectations. Your best bet right now is to drop any and all expectations you have that are based upon what you once had with other dogs. Take the time to work with her and start appreciating what she is capable of.

Every therapy dog I have trained has come to the table with completely different talents and skills. Macey has never been my cuddler, but I learned early on that I could always count on her to do something to make people stop, pay attention and start talking, she was patient and calm about being held and would be very happy just sitting there having her ears scratched while life went on around her. Tasha has been my princess/diva and cuddler, she is the one that has to have all the attention and hugs. Wachter is my clown, I will never be able to trust him in a nursing home, but when little kids and babies come around something just clicks and he goes "on stage" and becomes a completely different dog.

In your case Glory is doing a lot for you already. From what I know about bi-polar, you really need a routine to focus on in order to function in both your manic and depressive stages... Glory is providing that for you. (i.e. the getting up at 5, making you do the exercises to keep her so calm etc...) These are positive features for you, they make you function even when you really don't want too. Second, she is a calming influence for you, i.e. not jumping around etc... there were several other things that you mentioned she does that are positive for you, find them and focus on those features, and praise her for that. She may or may not become affectionate, but remember a lot of time we get not what we think we wanted, but in the end what we really needed.

Carrie
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05/07/2010 5:09 AM  
We get what we need, not what we want.She sounds like a calm and confident pup.
Engage in activities that encourage her dependency on you,such as retrieving.

How about a picture of the little one?

Francine


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05/07/2010 5:32 AM  
My best friend and I own littermates. My dog Max is a male- loves to cuddle, sleep on/with me, etc. Very sweet dog. I have an older female hound cross. She is more independent as well. Not into hugging, etc. I love them both for their different personalities.

My friend's dog Trace is a female. She is much more aloof, does not like a lot of petting (unless she is tired) and generally much more independent. She hikes her 2x/day, doing obedience, agility, etc. We spend equal time with the dogs- they are just different. She is better after being spayed but still quite aloof.

Like Pixie said--try activities together that she enjoys- hiking, retrieve, etc...Good luck with her!

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05/07/2010 5:43 AM  
For what it's worth, my little girl was aloof for her first eleven months but at around a year turned into the kissiest, cuddliest pup ever. As with everything else you have to let them set their own pace. Hang in there! You sound like you're doing great.

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05/07/2010 10:08 AM  
Koda is affectionate, but only when she wants to be. My boyfriend will pick her up when she's all excited and wants to play, and she wriggles until she gets free. We snuggle after exercising outside, if she's doesn't want to keep playing inside. If I lay on the couch, she jumps up and lays on top of me. She also snuggles in bed. She started sleeping with us in the bed at around 7 months. At parties, she'll curl up in my lap. She gets more exhausted from seeing new people in new places. Maybe once she's potty trained let her sleep with you so you can cuddle with her when she's finally sleeping? I know there can be problems with them sleeping in the bed, but we enjoy it.
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05/07/2010 10:54 AM  

I would agree that it sounds like you're trying a little too hard. You need to be respectful of his space. Adenine has never really enjoyed being petted so I generally don't bother him with it. Instead I'll usually just give him a little pat on his back or side when he walks by.   Adenine has also never been liked to cuddle during the day.  However, he is always in the same room as me.  However, he does always sleep under the covers with me, so you might try letting him sleep in your bed if you really want that physical contact.  Of course you shouldn't force him to sleep with you.  Just invite him up and if he declines just go on like nothing happened.  In your dog's eyes, you are not respecting his space. As you long as you legitimately respect and love him, he will respect and love you back. He may just show it a different (or subtler) way. If I were you, I would drop all your expectations of what you think he should be like. If you try to turn him into the "dog of your dreams" you will just be disappointed. Instead, learn to appreciate him for what he is and you will be very happy.  Eventually you will realize that when he is calmly lying in the same room as you with a chew, it means that he feels calm around you and enjoys your company.  

Also, one of my biggest mistakes/regrets early on (this is my first dog) was thinking of everything in terms of dominance. I always heard that if your dog walks in front of you or goes through a door first or whatever, that he is disrespecting you and was trying to be your leader. As soon as I dropped that notion and just started loving him for who he was, things got great. Try not to think of dominance in every situation. As long as you are calmly and assertively enforcing your rules he will respect you. Don't worry about small, symbolic things like going through doors first.

Like Cesar always says, you don't get the dog you want, you get the dog you need.  If he can help you to learn how to be happy when things don't meet your expectations, that may be more therapeutic than getting a dog that is very lovey all the time.  Just my two cents and good luck!


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05/07/2010 10:57 AM  

I agree with the others, don't worry.  There is a difference between undiscriminating puppy love and a true bond, and you may be in between!  When I adopted Chelsea she was 9 months and had never known affection.  She would accept it but didn't really reciprocate for quite a while.  She is still much more independent than my boy but when she comes over and leans against me or snuggles, I know she means it! 

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06/15/2010 11:58 PM  
Update: Glory is almost 6 months and she is the sweetest cuddle bug I have ever seen! It's so adorable how she will cuddle with my husband for a little while, then she will come over and hop up to my end of the couch and put her sweet head on my lap, look up at me with those amber eyes waiting for some kisses. I really jumped the gun on calling her unaffectionate. I am putting my foot in my mouth on this one. I realize now that she was just too young, too much stimuli for her to focus on I guess. The older she gets the more loyal she becomes. We can let her off the lead for a short time now and she'll stay right by us. What a sweetheart! I am so happy she has come around :)
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06/16/2010 6:03 AM  
I am so glad to hear that!

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06/17/2010 5:27 AM  
That is wonderful to hear!

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06/17/2010 7:55 PM  
My first thought also was that you may be a little overbearing. Dogs need their space too. And they are happiest with a leader and rules.

I would suggest that you try some things suggested above to establish a little more leadership, and let her sort things out. She is very young. Maybe you can set aside a specific "cuddle time" but keep it on the dog's terms. Tessa is very clingy around the house when I move, but when I veg in front of the TV or computer she kinda does her own thing, plays with herself, chews on her bone, either next to me or on the floor. I leave that up to her. When she's done, she curls up next to me, usually around 9 pm. That's our time for affection and dremeling the nails :)

There have been times when I followed the urge to hug my dog and she has wiggled out of my arms. I try not to take it the wrong way :)

This breed is a very fun-loving breed. I find my GSP truly inspiring, for her beauty, energy, love for life and happy-go-lucky attitude no matter what. Just watching her lifts my spirits - maybe this can work for you too.

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