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03/26/2010 3:02 AM  

First.... excuse me while I go ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

OK. The problem!

At the front of the house we have a porch, with hessian type carpet. When you go out the door, you go out of the internal door and then out of the external door - it's about 3 steps through the porch.

Recently, when we take Hogan out for a pee, when we stop to go out of the external door, he squats and pees right next to me!!!

Every time he has done it, I have treated it like peeing in the house, "AH AH" then shooing him outside. Sometimes I wonder if he just doesn't want to go outside (cold, wet or dark?) and other times I think there may be some residual smell that I haven't managed to get rid of, and he thinks of it as I pee place cus that's how it smells?

Anyway, yesterday, I really nearly got very mad, in fact I had to put him in his crate and go out to calm!

I had just taken him for a walk, and just got back, it had just begun to rain. I left the porch door open (outside door), but the inner door closed, and went out into the garden to pick up poop. I turned round, and there he was - standing right in the middle of the porch, peeing!!!!!!!! Man, it makes me mad just thinking about it! He had the whole garden - and goes into the porch and pees!

I shouted, and ran towards him, and he stopped, and ran out into the garden. I'm sure he knew he was doing wrong.

I cleaned up the porch, and sprayed it all over with odour neutraliser, to try and get rid of any smell at all. I've already resigned myself to the fact that we will have to replace the flooring (not a big problem it's cheap stuff) but I want to stop this habit he has got into!

Also now, if we walks into the porch, if you try to get hold of him, he ducks away and panics, like he's done something wrong, so I think he's associating the porch with shouting, and being shooed out. He has never been physically struck for peeing in there.

Also, yesterday, he poo'd in the house! He didn't even ask at the door - just slunk off to the kitchen and by the time I followed him there (literally a few seconds) he had already gone! Arghhhhhhh! Where has my perfectly potty trained puppy gone?

Any ideas would be great - thanks.

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03/26/2010 3:51 AM  
Rupert went through a phase of peeing on the mat by the back door if we weren't quick enough to get him out. He liked to give us 10 seconds warning. Haha. I think the trouble is it really absorbs the moisture and smell (especially that hessian stuff) and it's a bugger to get rid of so it must smell like a great place to go pee. If he's getting a bit scared in the porch the only think i can think of is he's not associating getting told off with the peeing he's doing?! Maybe cos it smells like somewhere to pee now so he doesn't understand?!

The only thing i can suggest is you go back to totally supervised peeing and pooing on command outside frequently to re instill it?
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03/26/2010 3:56 AM  
See I wondered whether I should go back to taking him out at certain times like when he was little - but I don't want him to un-learn (is that possible) asking to go out? (Which co-incedentally he appears to be beginning to do already) ...
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03/26/2010 4:02 AM  
Hmmmm, well if he kinda seems to be forgetting it anyway, i'd see taking him out yourself again as re inforcing it maybe? Cos that's how they learn it in the first place. My little one didn't ask to go out for well over a week until he figured out what i wanted. Maybe hogan needs a little refresher and you need to take control again. And keep the porch door closed so he doesn't have the option of using it. I'd even be inclined to carry him out over the porch as Rupert got into a habit of peeing on the stairs if he was desperate so we'd carry him down and out to stop him doing that and then after a week or so no more peeing on the stairs. It's very frustrating isn't it as they give no warning whatsoever and just squat. Grrrrrrr.
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03/26/2010 4:45 AM  
If he is peeing in the house then he hasn't learned the proper place to go yet, so yes, I'd back up and take him out like you were doing before and reinforce the right place to go potty. He sounds confused about how many doors he must exit before he reaches the right spot.
Mine have to go through one door and down the steps and then through the back door to potty outside. When teaching in the beginning I let them down the first steps and am saying "Wait! Wait!" to them until I get to the second door and open it. Some take a bit longer to realize they must hold it until that second door is opened to the outside, others pick it up quickly.
If they potty inside thinking that one door is it I simply tell them NO! Potty OUTSIDE! and put them outside. Most pups will pee again within seconds of being outside and then and only then do I praise and make a huge deal out of it.
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03/26/2010 4:48 AM  
Mel - he doesn't normally pee in the house at all. (He doesn't have a UTI). It's just the confusion over the doors I think - he thinks once he is through the door he can go. Or I wonder if he waits too long to ask, then can't hold it?

Thanks for the tip - I will start re-inforcing much more.
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03/26/2010 5:37 AM  
I think he is waiting too long to ask and he feels the porch is good enough in that situation...so I would pick him up and carry him through the porch...

To make him not be afraid on the porch do some simple training things that he knows really well out on the porch so he can get lots of praise and treats there.

I don't have to swat Blitz at all if I just raise my voice he will cower, he has always been like that and never wants to be in trouble. He was so easy to train cuz he just like to be on my good side! Donner however he could careless if I yell at him, he has gotten some nose swats for chewing naughty things, but I don't swat for pottying I say no and pick them up and carry them outside.

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03/26/2010 6:47 AM  

So, Hogan is still a baby and babies make mistakes. They all go through periods where we think they are brilliant and then a little slide and we think they have forgotten everything. Take a deep breath and repeat, "Hogan is still a puppy, and puppies will have accidents." IMHO I do not think he is associating the porch with the house. Seems like he is associating it with being outside. He is also becoming afraid of the porch because of the accidents. So, I would first start back with more of a routine for potty breaks. When you take him outside put him on a leash and walk to the last door and make him sit (yes you get some dog training in too) while you open that back door. He will find it very hard to pee while sitting. If he does happen to pee, tell him no and take him out. Don't make a big deal of it as that will probably only make him more nervous. In order to make him like the porch more, do some training and games out there with him. He needs to learn that is part of the living space and a nice place to be. If you can take him out there and sit with him (read a book or something) and let him play with bone or fav toy. If he should stop to pee, tell him no and put him outside.

Remember his is a baby and growing in spurts and that means his bladder too. He is still learning to control it and it still is small so be patient. He will get it and be a good boy. My boy, Ringo, was the hardest dog to potty train. I thought he was getting it and then a backslide. We had multiple backslides. I kept thinking I was doing something wrong because all my other dogs have always learned it fast and easy. Not my boy. I think he would just wait so long and then just could not control it well. Finally it was like a lightbulb went off one day when he was approaching 6 months and he has not had an accident since.


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