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Juno Sask, Canada
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| 12/16/2007 4:32 PM |
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OK, so Juno's Mom here. So first I'm going to say that I am no expert but after about one full year of training Juno to walk politely on a leash I think that we have finally succeeded. So here's the short version of our trials of walking on a leash. So last winter, Juno's first, by the time that the roads got icy I just was getting so fed up with taking him for walks and trying to hang on to him. Hearing everyone on here about how the dogs are pulling really makes me remember. It seems like we all have headstrong and body strong dogs. We take Juno for three walks a day and I was pretty much ready to just quit. I thought that one day he would pull me so hard that I would slip on the ice and crack my skull......But of coarse I would never not take him for walks so to try and get him to walk nicely it seems like we have tried it all. First the harness which I'm pretty sure just made him pull even harder but then at least he wasn't choking himself and then we tried a non-pulling harness which worked for about 15 minutes, the pinch collar, which kinda, sorta worked, as lease he wouldn't pull so badly. We had tried all of the different "loose leash walking" lessons - the constantly changing directions, stopping until the leash is loose, giving him treats when he is walking beside us, teaching him to hit our hand right beside us as heeling.....none of that worked. He was a classic puller, lunging towards people, pulling over to trees he wanted to sniff, taking a treat and then running right back out to the end of the leash. He's a little stubborn, like his dog mom I've heard and like his people parents as we weren't going to let his win this walking battle. So as an almost last resort we tried something that we saw Ceaser "the Dog Whisperer" do and it worked almost instantly. I have to say that I had seen a few episodes of "the Dog Whisperer" on TV before that and wasn't conviced about his methods but now I am totally reformed and have seen how what he says works. I recommend watching a few episodes, I think that he may have a book also. So here are the highlights about how we have gotten Juno to be a polite walker: Looping the leash around the neck so that it will tighten and loosen, or using a martingdale type collar. Keeping the collar high up on the next, right up between the ears, like a show dog. Pulling the leash to the side to get the dog to pay attention and knock them a bit off balance, instead of pulling back on the dog, which just makes them think to start pulling. And the biggest one that worked for us, not giving him any real leash length, (this was the hardest one because then he can't sniff and roam) really just about 1 or 2 feet worth, not even really enough that he can sniff the ground. In restrospect this one really makes sense. Instead of giving him more leash to roam further just don't let him get out to where he can pull. This makes it so that he has to walk right beside you and doesn't have a chance to get out in front to pull. This way he focuses more on walking. And he is not allowed to sniff at anything or pee on anything. This may seem mean but I can actually walk him without getting pulled all over the place. Also for the person walking the dog needs to just walk, confidently, head up, shoulders back, not looking at the dog and not mad (as hard as that may be). The dog should be looking at the person to see where they are walking. Also the dog backpack mentioned before is a good idea. Now I also have to say that there were the walks where Juno rebelled with a few little temper tantrums but he is now used to it. Yesterday we even just let the leash go a couple of times and he just kept walking right beside us now that is just amazing! I have to admit that I thought that he may just start running off but he just walked by us...WOW. I also have to say that he has just turned two and has mellowed out quite a bit since last year.....so this may have also helped a bit with the change in walking habits. He also gets to run offleash often and that is really where he shines. He just loves to run and run and with that I don't feel so bad that he doesn't get to sniff around and roam on the leash. Now "the walk" isn't being controled by "the dog". So like I have said I am not an expert but after a year of trying almost everything this is what worked for us. Good luck and let us all know how it goes. |
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Chase Roseville, Ca
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| 12/17/2007 8:12 AM |
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| when I got Chase, he came with a prong collar. Every time I took it off he just pulled as much as before we put it on him. We recently switched to one of those leashes that Juno described, as I call it a "lasso", and now I can take him out without it and he hardly pulls at all. I love it. I have a severe neck injury, so it's hard for me to walk him when he pulls hard, and being the only one with time to do so I am it. Its simple to put on and take off unlike the prong collar and harnesses which takes some effort and time (esspecially with our hyper GSP's spinnng around with excitement), and its a leash collar combo so you dont have allot of equipment laying around. Just my thoughts. Hope it helps, Andrea |
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Ace1cappuccino Carp Lake, Michigan
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| 12/19/2007 7:20 PM |
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| This is more of a note about the behavior I have noticed. When my dogs are off leash such as a walk in the woods, they will run around like crazy but if the shock collar is on them (not even turned on) they behave like good little children. I tried hunting with out it on them and they were ranging a bit far and Mocha (hard headed) kept just running around. With the collar on them it was work work find the birds no nonsense. Probably wouldn't help on the walking. I started with a harness- no help. Then I used the check cord around the collar then around the waist and if they started to pull I would just pull up on the cord just like teaching heal. Maybe that would help atleast with the pulling. |
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Pointer Fan Westminster, Colorado
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| 12/19/2007 9:48 PM |
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| Molly is the same way with the electronic collar on. She knows her commands but is the most bull-headed dog if there is anything resembling prey that she has zeroed in on. Put the collar on and the little devil turns into an instantaneous angel. It actually helps a lot when walking her. |
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dpernisie Newton, MA
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| 02/23/2009 7:29 AM |
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I want to second what Juno added. Our Juneau, a 5.5 month old female, has followed a progression path like many of those already described. Grew very strong, very quickly, and with her pulling made walking very challenging, despite many different typical tactics attempted: start/stop, change direction etc. The choke chain worked for a bit, but her tolerance (and ever strengthening neck!) made that less and less effective. We too have recently discovered that proper collar placement and leash holding technique is a night and day different. Once the choke/slip collar is on correctly (ie "active" length going over the neck) we position the collar so that it is directly behind the ears, basically as high up the neck as it will stay. We also keep a very short leash (not tight, just very little slack), at least to begin with, which allows for very timely correction, and the ability to keep her nose from breaking the plane of the walker's knee. Furthermore, it prevents the ever curious nose from getting too close to the ground and creating more distraction than she can handle. The net result is that we can control Juneau (who is already 35 pounds) with just a couple of fingers - and most importantly she has taken a renewed interest in following, not leading on the leash. We too figured this out from watching Cesar. It is still in its early days for us, but thought I would share with others. For what it is worth, you do have to keep lifting the collar up in order to maintain its position - I think using one of the lighter nylon-type leashes that Cesar uses would help remedy this. |
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pixie bee
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| 02/23/2009 7:42 AM |
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Yes, I often wondered why he used the cheap nylon leash,then one day I figured it out. it doesn't slip down. He makes himself look pretty darn good with a string but in reality the "string" does more then the eye can see at first. I have found that with prey driven dogs the bihind the ears thing doesn't work. You can rip off the dog's head and they would still pull. Much of it is training self control and not dominating the dog. Which of course, comes with maturity which of course is different with each dog. Such is life with a shorthair. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 02/23/2009 8:08 AM |
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Depending on the dog almost any collar positioned right behind their ears will work in the same way. That area is the most sensitive area and it works like a rudder to steer the dog.
For those that see a behavior difference when they put the ecollar on, you have a collar wise dog. Meaning they know where the correction comes from. The way to prevent a collar wise dog is to put the ecollar on them when you get up in the morning and let them wear when they go out or whatever. You have to do this several weeks before you ever use the collar. That way the collar is just part of the routine of going out, for a walk, whatever. When you do use the collar they do not associate the correction with the collar because they have already been wearing it along time.
I got to test my boy this weekend on his recall without the ecollar on as the AKC does not allow ecollars in a hunt test. Ringo is testing for his Junior Hunter. He found and pointed 5 birds and qualified. Since we were the last brace yesterday he also found a couple of wounded quail and ran them down. I was worried that he wouldn't bring them to me as we have not worked on retrieving a real bird yet, but when he scooped up the bird I called here and he turned and brought it right back to me and dropped it at my feet when I told him drop it. The judge laughed and said the retrieve wasn't needed for Juniors. Most of the other Junior dogs that caught birds played with them and wouldn't go back to their handlers (all of played the chase game and so they lost valuable hunting time as these tests are timed). Anyway, if you get that reliable recall without making the dog collar wise there are lots of useful applications which is why I mentioned it in the first place.
Good luck on Juno's successful walking on leash. |
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bruns333 Central Ohio
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| 02/23/2009 8:10 AM |
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I do think the off leash running may be causing part of your problems. Your pup has learned what the good life is "running off leash", and anything less is not as fun. I know how important exercising a gsp pup is. Maybe try strict enforcement of the heeling until she gets it then start letting her off again. I think where we go wrong is not training them to heel and walk well on a leash from the day we start walking them on a leash. They grow so fast and get so strong that by the time they are 6 months they act like pups, but are the size of adults dogs. I have used prongs, chokers, halty's, and flank hitches. The ones that have worked the best are the chokers up high behind the ears the prongs, and the flank hitch. I start with the chokers and if they don't work I go to the prong and then the flank. Beth is right the flank makes it hard to steer them, plus the are a little ahead of where they should be. It takes patience and lots of repetition to get them walking well on a leash. I have fought my 5 y/o gsp for many years and most/all of her problems are my fault. I walk her where she is going to get to run off leash. She knows that 5 minutes of discomfort is going to be repaid with an hour of pure gsp fun(running). Start early and keep at it until you win and try to love the dog when you really want to kill them for pulling. |
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