Ok im talking people with multiple dogs. I have been reading a little bit about pack order and want to start doing little things like greeting them, feeding them in order. The thing is, how do you know the order. Here is my situation. We have a 2.5 year old mix (Fin) and we had him for about two years before we got Dieter.Fin has very "soft nerves"(iv herd a few people use that term..im not sure if it is correct) he only required very little correction, would never lean or bump into you and will not even go through a door if any part of his body is going to bump it. He learned all the house rules and is aloud complete freedom in the house. Although he is a super fast sprinter (Dieter cannot catch him and it drives him crazy) he is fine laying on the couch all day, he is great with kids. Im pretty sure you can do anything to him with out getting an agressive reaction. Ok..so my questions are..should the older always be higher in the pack? he canot seem to get it through Dieters head that he is alpha. He corrects him all the time but 99% of the time it doesnt even phase Dieter . So can a gentle dog be alpha over a "Bulldozer" dog or will Dieter aventually take over. Is there anything i can do or should i just leave them alone when it comes to this?

thanks for anyones opinions

We've always considered the dog that came into the family first as the 1st in the pack.  Penny (the 2nd dog) always tries to push ahead, but I make her sit and wait.  I always give Cooper his treats first and take his leash off first when we come home from walks or if I let them run off lead. I try to always make him the priority. If they didn't free feed, I would put Coopers food down first.  At night time, I let Cooper on the bed first. If Penny is already on the bed, I make her get off and let Cooper up, then Penny can get back up.