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02/16/2010 8:46 PM  

When Andria was home for Christmas she commented on how Xara's coat was rough and wirey feeling, and her sisters coat was soft and silky. She couldn't get over the difference between their coats when Bailey and Xara are littermates and both females.

Is there a "correct" feel to the coat they should have, or are there differences like these?

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02/16/2010 9:35 PM  
In My " To the Point Book, they describe the outer layer of the GSP coat as Stiff, water and briar- repellent, waxed cotton coat. Rocky's body feels like sand paper in some spots. When the sun shines on his back I can see his coat sparkle and glisten. His head on the other hand is very soft and velvet like. I don't know if some GSPs have softer coats while some have sand paper wire feeling coats?? Rocky's coat sounds similar to Xara than Bailey.

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02/16/2010 9:35 PM  

Here is what the standard says:

The hair is short and thick and feels tough to the hand; it is somewhat longer on the underside of the tail and the back edges of the haunches. The hair is softer, thinner and shorter on the ears and the head. Any dog with long hair in the body coat is to be severely penalized.

I have had several judges tell me they are happy to see a shorthair with the proper coat when they go over Halo.  So, going by that and the standard I would say the head and ears are velvety soft, but the rest of the coat should be much coarser and rough to the touch.  If you think about it it does make sense as the coat has to protect the dog when hunting and too soft or fine of coat would not do that as well as a coarser and rougher coat. 

 


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02/17/2010 5:21 AM  
Yeah my understanding (just like Marie and Bev said) was the body was tougher and water repellent and the head and ears are soft...But the body is still smooth just more coarse...

I think Blitz has a coat like they describe in the breed standards...right now Donner still has his puppy hair so he is soft all over!


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02/17/2010 6:28 AM  
During her Natural Ability test, Tessa's coat was judged "medium dense" "medium coarse". I think hers is a little on the soft side, but I guess "waxy" describes it well. I use a mild shampoo and a coat spray sometimes (mostly on her head) but stay away from conditioners and coat softeners.

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02/17/2010 7:17 AM  
Cooper is very soft all over (head, ears, sides, legs and belly), with the exception of a denser, more coarse coat down his spine. His coat is particularly thick, coarse, and waxy toward the very end of his back, over his butt.

Cooper is all liver, but has orange-ish, auburn streaks in his coat on his back. There is a very distinct point on his back where his coat changes color. Has anyone else noticed this color variation in their [all-liver] dog's coat?

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02/17/2010 7:47 AM  

Cooper is soft all over, but Penny is coarse on her torso and legs.  Her head and ears are like velvet.  They have the same parents.


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02/17/2010 8:01 AM  
I think I read somewhere the liver colored hair tends to be softer than the white, but I don't know if they were just referring to the liver heads or the entire body if it is solid....


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02/17/2010 8:26 AM  
Max got a "medium dense-medium harsh" on his NA test as well. Someone told me most-all dogs do! Anyway, I think because of the food and fish oil I feed him, his coat is much softer then it should be.

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02/17/2010 9:01 AM  
The solid livers I have seen seem to have softer coats. I used to think that the liver patches were softer too, but my boys coat belies that idea and he has large liver patches. So it would be interesting to hear from other folks that have the solid liver shorthairs. Also, wondering what the coats are like on the black and white or solid black shortharis.

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02/17/2010 9:38 AM  
Not my dogs, Jen. Both Terra (solid liver) and Rayne (liver roan) were judged dense, medium harsh. Guess I breed for a thicker coat.

Solid liver coats are definitely different than ticked but I would say they're coarser not softer, at least with my dogs.

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02/17/2010 9:48 AM  
I've actually met a few predominantly white dogs whose fur was super soft (they were from German lines ... don't know if that makes a difference). Bo and Razzie are definitely smooth, but coarse (if that makes sense).

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02/17/2010 10:26 AM  
Koda is solid liver. Like the standard, her head is soft and body more coarse. She has an almost orange hue at the tip of her tail. Not sure what they call that.
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02/17/2010 10:38 AM  

Jasper has a glossy but slightly harsh coat with soft head, as did my  late lamented Peppy.  Pep's sister, Clio, had a probably nonstandard coat, or at least pushing it--longer and very very soft.   Chelsea, with her possible EP cross, has a very short, sleek coat. 

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02/17/2010 11:14 AM  
hmm well then it seems that there is no rhyme or reason to why some are different textured than others.
Bailey is predominately liver and I thought maybe that was it, but evidently not! Xara gets fish oil on her food daily also so it's not that either.
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02/17/2010 11:39 AM  

This is Georgina Byrne's observations on coat based on the various standards and her work on her book, Der Durtsch-Kurzhaar.  I thought it was interesting and worth sharing.

"...Only the British Standard fails to mention that the GSP coat should be thick. This should be more so in winter than in summer, and is generally more pronounced in kennel-dogs than in house-dogs, and amongst those living in cold climates rather than hot ones.

A thick coat with a dense, furry undercoat is of great importance in protecting dogs from injury in heavy cover, and from cold when working in water, or in the field in cold weather. A hairy belly is highly desireable, although not mentioned in any standard. The ideal GSP coat should be extremely water-repellant.  Anyone who has tried to wet a GSP with the ideal coat-type, will appreciate this quality.

Sad to say, it appears that dogs living in hot climates, such as are found in much of Australia, tend to develop thinner coats, both in the individual and in succeeding generations.  This must be watched, for thinly coated dogs have a tendency to dislike working in water, even in a warm climate.  That is a serious behaviour fault in the breed.

Solid-coloured dogs tend to have slightly finer thinner, coats than do ticked ones (the white hairs tend to be longer and thicker than the heavily pigmented ones), so some allowance must be made for that.  In addition, a recent bath will soften the coat slightly.  Show judges should keep this in mind.  I prefer to handle clean dogs when judging, so am always ready to make some allowance for the effects of a recent shampooing! I know that most "how to show" manuals advise bathing a dog several days before a show, but those of us who own GSPs and allow them access to a natural environment know how difficult it is to keep them clean for that length of time!

The most desirable GSP coat is thick, coarse and slightly oily, i.e., rather like an otter's coat.  It is more important that the coat be dense and water repellant than that it be coarse in texture."

(quoted from Der Deutsch-Kurzhaar, by Georgina Byrne, pg 54)


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02/17/2010 11:58 AM  
i would describe Bairas coat as soft and smooth all over but the hair on her back feels sharper (coarser) if that makes sense.
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02/17/2010 12:44 PM  
it's funny that that article mentions a hairy belly. I was just teasing Dave the other night and told him that our baby was growing up........she's getting hair on her belly LOL
Just in time to get it all shaved off tomorrow when she gets spayed of course.
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02/18/2010 3:49 AM  

Hope all goes well today.  Keep us posted.

Maria


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02/18/2010 6:51 AM  
My three are rough. They are liver roan, liver & white w/heavy ticking and liver & white limited ticking. The white (opaque) hairs on mine are about as harsh as the liver and a little bit longer than the livers as is mentioned.

vnrose53 I have always heard that EP white hair is white and GSP white is opaque. Anyone out there confirm this.
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