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02/02/2010 5:06 PM  

Im working with my dogs to steady them to the flush shot and fall.

While working the process i got to thinking about something.  I worked this process starting with 100% compliance to Whoa and then temptations all the way up to actual flushes.

Anyhow I desensitized the dogs to the shot early on, in fact that was the easy part.  Flush is taking a bit more work but its going pretty quick all and all.

My question is do any of your dogs whoa on the sound of gunfire?

I was thinking things over and thought i could hammer things home by also implimenting this.

Any cons to doing so?

 

At this point i whoa them on solid points off scent and off of just verbal whoa's.

 


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02/02/2010 6:39 PM  

The only cons I can think of is that you don't want your dog whoa-ing to gunfire on another part of the course, meaning you don't want your dog to hear it's bracemate getting a bird shot for it and come to a whoa. Or at least I wouldn't. Second, I think you might set up an expectation with the dog that there will always be a shot fired, which there won't be in a safety situation or if your starter's pistol malfunctions.

Interesting question though...

Jean


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02/02/2010 6:40 PM  
Yes,definitely teach a shot mean stop.



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02/02/2010 6:47 PM  
Having my dog stop on hearing another shot in the field would not bother me. To be honest I will only be testing to get my dogs titles; after that they will be exclusively hunting dogs. I like the idea of them coming to a stop on the sound of a shot in the hunting field as it could keep the situation under control and avoid busting of birds while my attention and such is consumed with the other dog.

So next question on this. I started whoa with a verbal "whoa" and a stop hand signal. I later added one quick chirp of my whistle to the combo. Dog will now stop on either a verbal whoa or a chirp..or any combination. Would i be correct to think adding a bang from my blank pistol in the same manner would be the way to go about it.

As for my progress with this steady issue. My nearly 3 year old Brittany is much more sane and progressing as such. My nearly 2 year old GSP is more consumed with his predator drive. Whoa in general he has down very good as he is a quicker learner than my Brittany. But add in the hoopla of a live bird and he goes cookoo for a instant needing a few reps to get him on board of what is being commanded.

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02/02/2010 6:51 PM  
Interestig points,there.
My dogs have learned that not every shot they hear means whoa. Distance plays a role, the further away the shot the dogs ignore it knowing it is not part of our outing, another downfall I guess is that my dogs,if out of sight and know that the shot came from me or whom I'm with,the dogs will come running back - I guess in FT'ing this is not a good thing,either. Works for me tho.
I guess I can't offer any advice. I teach it and it works good for us.

Francine


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02/02/2010 6:56 PM  
How I teach steady to shot is this:
I make darn sure the dog knows whoa and is proofed. With the dog rather close and coming somewhat towards me, I fire a capgun and command whoa at the same time,holding a hand up or using a whistle to make sure I got the point across. I do everything I have to to make sure the dog dogs whoa.



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02/05/2010 4:52 PM  

Pixie the method you describe is exactly what im doing and seems to be working.  Sure there are prob instances of FT or testing that it could become an issue; but i do not plan to FT and only am testing to title out my dogs after that and first and most they are hunting dogs.  I think being solid to a whoa on the shot is another form of having control over the dog(s) in the field...also keep from busting other birds in a covey.

 

 


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