dieterthegsp
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| 02/01/2010 1:32 PM |
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the bodyslam isnt really pushing or leaning. He is just looking for for a spot to lay and then just slams down. Iv seem him slam down like this on his bed with no dog or human in sight
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erikacarrillo
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| 02/01/2010 1:39 PM |
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Koda likes to get under the covers too! She lays next to me with her head resting on my feet. I don't let her lay there very long because I'm worried she's going to run out of air. She also leans on my sometimes, but I see it as an affectionate "I want to get as close to you as I can." |
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MurfsMa
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| 02/01/2010 1:49 PM |
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I find it difficult to believe that every single dog mentioned here that does this lean is a dominant dog, exhibiting dominant behavior... IMHO.
I also find it hard to fathom that it's a "possesive" trait in each and every one of these dogs... otherwise it would be exhibited in other forms as well. None of these people would be able to go near another dog for instance and the forum would be flooded with questions detailing such incidents...
Dieter- I agree with you that it's not necessarily a "body slam" but when a 50-60 pound dog decides to lay down and you're in the vicinty of his chosen spot... it can feel like it! Murphy tends to lay down with "emphasis" no matter where is and whether he's alone or not!  |
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Gatormom
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| 02/01/2010 2:00 PM |
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Regarding GSP's under the covers. In the Spencer for Hire books, by the recenly departed Robert Parker, he frequently mentions Spencer's solid liver GSP Pearl's need to get under the covers. (Parker himself owned several GSP's named Pearl, pictured with him on the back of the bookcovrs). It was my brother who turned me on the the Spenser books, when he asked me if Kaiser liked to sleep under the covers.
Kaiser is an under the covers dog, and Gator is an on top of the covers dog. I'm a side sleeper, and he always slept snug up against the small of my back. Gator, on the other hand, sleeps right up againt my stomach.
When we're in the car, the dogs sit in the back seat while we ride in the front. Invariably, one or the other will place their head on one of our shoulders, what my husband refers to as "the press down". |
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Gatormom
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| 02/01/2010 2:00 PM |
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Regarding GSP's under the covers. In the Spencer for Hire books, by the recenly departed Robert Parker, he frequently mentions Spencer's solid liver GSP Pearl's need to get under the covers. (Parker himself owned several GSP's named Pearl, pictured with him on the back of the bookcovrs). It was my brother who turned me on the the Spenser books, when he asked me if Kaiser liked to sleep under the covers.
Kaiser is an under the covers dog, and Gator is an on top of the covers dog. I'm a side sleeper, and he always slept snug up against the small of my back. Gator, on the other hand, sleeps right up againt my stomach.
When we're in the car, the dogs sit in the back seat while we ride in the front. Invariably, one or the other will place their head on one of our shoulders, what my husband refers to as "the press down". |
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oneal3337
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| 02/01/2010 2:31 PM |
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| Pixie is right. This is a sign of dominance. Went to a week long training seminar with Rick Smith and this was the first thing he taught us. There were 40 of us with our dogs and almost every dog there demonstrated this behavior with their owner. Dogs are pack animals and are constantly vying for a better spot within the heiarchy of the pack. This wasn't just a GSP thing either. We had almost every breed of gun dog there and they all exhibited this behavior with brittanys being the hardest to correct. If your happy with how your dog behaves then don't worry about it. If you want a better gun dog that can win national NSTRA events then I would corect this problem. |
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DesertRoseKennel
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| 02/01/2010 3:00 PM |
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My last thoughts on this:
Every dog and every situation is different and unless I'm there and watching with my own eyes the behavior of the dog, the owner, and the rest of their pack (if it's not a single dog family), it is presumptuous to judge exactly what behavior is dominant and also what is submissive.
Second and last thought - my Willow is probably the worst of my pack in terms of needing to get as much of her body in contact with mine as often as possible. Not a "problem" in my eyes and she has documented her ability to compete at a national level by placing 2nd and 4th in the National Amateur Championship in Eureka and 3rd in the National Amateur Walking Gundog championship. So, it's also presumptuous to say that a dog who is "touchy-feely" and possessive with her people isn't going to be competitive. There are no absolutes.
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dieterthegsp
Cape Breton, NS, Canada
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| 02/01/2010 3:15 PM |
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| I agree. every situation is different. some actions dominant, some not. Its just hard to ignore all the well behaved submissive dogs on the forum doing the same actions |
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everbell
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| 02/01/2010 3:53 PM |
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I like it when they lean into me, but I do recognize that there probably is a bit of dominance in it too. There are times when I will accept the lean, since they are "protecting" me, there are other times where they are just been cuddly and then there are the times when they are just trying to move up the pecking order (which I discourage ...).
What I really object too, is having my foot stepped on when I'm making dinner, like I'm a Pez dispenser  |
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zodiakgsps
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| 02/01/2010 5:04 PM |
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Jean, I am with you on this one. My Mac dog was a very successful FT dog before his leg break. He is THE clingiest dog in my house, always has to be touching/leaning on me or in my lap. He is also the last in my packs dominance order & VERY submissive, to the point that once he was bumped hard in a FT (other dog bit at him too...), he would not pass the offending dog when it got ahead of us after we had a difficult find. He is 13, has never offered to fight let alone stand off another male, even strange adult intact males I have brought in my house & is gentle and sweet with baby pups.
All my dog are leaners, all compete well, none fight, show aggression nor are hard-headed training. All 7 come to my grooming shop daily and are great with clients dogs and the clients. |
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pixie bee
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| 02/01/2010 5:10 PM |
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oneal3337,
did he happen to talk about yawning,stretching and shaking?
Along with dominance comes avoidance.
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birdman652001
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| 02/01/2010 5:11 PM |
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| Remington does this ALL the time. i could be standing.. he leans and puts pressure on ya. He'll just stand and lean toward me.. then when he wants to check on where mom is, he'll go lean on her too. He has yet to lean on Joey (the cat) i dont think Joey would like that anyways. |
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zimbass
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| 02/01/2010 5:26 PM |
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| Pixie your comparison to the boss and a dog is way off, were humans there dogs. Although sometimes I would like to to do some of the things you said to my boss, but not the rubbing up agianist part, but that would be out of frustration. Bottom line to me is they love the one they bond with the most, whether one person or the family and thats there way of being close, there dogs. |
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zimbass
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| 02/01/2010 5:32 PM |
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| One more thought, if my dog stands on my foot or leans on me, it might be his way of saying I'm his, I don't think that's dominance I think that's security. He never does that to strangers or other people he see's a few times a week Who knows how a dog thinks??? |
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dieterthegsp
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| 02/01/2010 6:12 PM |
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| yes..i also do not like human analogies...we do not sniff someones butt when we meet them...does that mean its wrong for them to do it? |
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dieterthegsp
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| 02/01/2010 6:12 PM |
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MegC
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| 02/01/2010 7:31 PM |
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| But it's so much more fun to take a canine behavior completely devoid of any context and then make sweeping, emphatic generalizations about it for every dog everywhere in any setting! |
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oneal3337
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| 02/01/2010 8:18 PM |
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Pixie Bee,
Yes he covered the yawing and stretching. They usually do this on he whoa post when they're getting ready to submit and ready to recognize you as the pack leader. It was actually amazing to watch every dog go through the same behavior pattern from showing dominance, to avoiding you by turning away, then yawnig and finally licking their lips. The final sign of submission was when they licked their lips.
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bruns333
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| 02/02/2010 4:54 AM |
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Both my dogs do this and I do think it is somewhat dominant behaivor. Trego our oldest is a much softer dog that as a puppy would crawl on her belly the last five feet to meet a strange dog. We allowed her to be more clingy and she loves to do the half lap stradle when you are sitting in a chair. She loves people and does this when visitor come and stay at our house. I let her do it when I want her to and she asks me if she can get up. Stella our 20 month female is a much more dominant dog that never backs down from a strange dog and stands her ground. She likes people, but says hi and then goes and lays down when folks come. I do not let her do these same sort of pushy things with me. She is also the same dog that if I was to whoa post them both she understands control better and faster and is not bothered by pressure the way Trego is. She is like the second child that grows up a little faster and is paid less attention to, and doesn't have the emotional baggage of the older "spoiled" child. Sorry for the human analogy!
Stella could be kennel dog and Trego could, but would not like it. They both are fine with being kenneled and are mentally tough enough to go with the flow. Heck I have always thought Trego would be fine living with anyone that took good care of her. Stella would just need food, water, shelter and lots of hunting and running and she is happy. |
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pixie bee
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| 02/02/2010 5:01 AM |
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MegC,
a bit uncalled for.
"Completely devoid of any context......"?
"sweeping,empathetic generalizations....."?
If you don't agree with the differing opinions, fine.
I don't like rationalizations or living in denial.
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