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11/19/2007 2:35 PM  

Kota is no longer interested in playing fetch with us when we are outside.  We were wondering if we put some bird scent on it, if his instinct to hunt will be engraved & put in to overdrive from that point on.  The reason I'm asking is b/c we aren't hunters but want him to be a running partner; however, we don't want him to chase after every single bird he sees or smells while we are running.

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11/19/2007 3:06 PM  

haha. good luck. Lacey is my running buddy too. By that I mean, she jumps out of the car and I don't see her again til I am 3 miles down the trail. She chases every scent in the woods while I run along the trail, she comes back to my whistle or when she is just tired enough to make sure her ride home is still there. It was nerve racking to let her go the first few times, but she always knows how to find me on any trail we run. I really should teach her how to run on a leash so we can run around the city.

Sorry I offer no help, though.

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11/20/2007 7:13 AM  
The scent would probably get him interested in the ball, but I don't think it will help with him not chasing birds or scent.

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11/20/2007 9:21 PM  
Some dogs just don't like fetch. Mine will chase a ball until he wears his legs off, but some just don't. Or maybe you kinda wore him out of it and if hes a puppy hes just wanting to explore. Lots of dogs will go through stages where they just want to do their own thing.

I have a dog here with me now that I am watching, and she will compete for everything except play time. She wants to be in my lap or on my bed, but when I take her on a run she just trots along beside me, unless she's hunting.

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11/21/2007 7:21 AM  
I don't get the connection between playing fetch and not chasing/being a running partner.

The only way to get any dog to be a running partner is to run with him on a leash and teach him to run next to you. After a while,depending on how good you are at teaching this, the dog will run next to you w/o a leash.Altho, I see no reason for not using a leash all the time.

This is all about obedience and cooperation.Mostly cooperation.

Your dog is probably much more amused by his surroundings to play fetch. Focus will come with age.As prey drive kicks in so will the desire to retrieve out doors.

A dog that keeps you thinking is a dog that keeps you learning.

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11/21/2007 10:27 AM  

I'm sorry I wasn't clearer.  Our hesitation with putting bird scent on anything is that while we are running with Kota (on leash or off) that he will try to jut off after every bird that he gets a hint of a scent.  It's no fun walking while he is pulling on the leash trying to get his nose within the vicinity of anything he determines is delectable, but we don't want to cause confusion or problems when he is a bit older & running on trails or even through the neighborhood.

We've graduated from puppy school & will be starting beginner school in about 6 weeks so that should help & as others have commented..he will get better as he matures.  He's not even 5 months old yet. 

Thanks so much for the comments, though.  I always learn something.  We have friends that just bought a Vizsla puppy & I only hope that they have such a wonderful forum for Vizsla's as we do for GSP.

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11/21/2007 12:09 PM  
A GSP is a smart dog.
He will learn to walk and run at heel and know when he is to explore his environment.This running at heel training will help a bunch when it comes time to teach recall off leash.
You may want to check into agility training.

Francine


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11/21/2007 6:07 PM  
Speaking of recall off leash, when is a good time to start that ... I know, I know, the minute you bring them home. Bo is almost 9 months and still doesn't respond if he's on the trail of a good scent. Any good tricks to bring the boy to heel when he's stuck on a scent?

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11/21/2007 7:28 PM  
It would have been easier at a younger but here goes....I would start in an enclosed space like a fenced yard or hockey rink(without ice!). Leave the check cord attached. Use your command , "Bo, come". If he doesn't immediately acknowledge you, give a quick tug on the check cord and reel him, making him come. Give lots of praise and treat if you like. You never want to punish a dog for coming to you. Always make coming to you the best place to be. Keep doing this until Bo does it 100% of the time before you consider moving out of an enclosed area.

Gail

BTW I'll be at the training day Sunday. Change of plans!

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11/21/2007 8:40 PM  
everbell,
I wish I had a good answer for you.
Truth is, any dog that has any prey drive will have a hard time coming when called when on scent.
Best course of action is to keep a close eye on a dog and try to spot when they will go "off" and get their attention before they do.
When scent is involved it becomes a whole other ball game.Keep up with your regular obedience and with maturity the selective hearing will fade away.

Or, you could use an e-collar.

Francine



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11/22/2007 6:12 AM  
Gail -- I look forward to meeting you on Sunday!

Gail and Francine -- thanks for your advice. We will keep working with him ... he's a smart dog (but then, whose dog ISN'T smart :) . The problem for us is getting his attention, and it really does seem to be selective hearing. When he's paying attention, he'll obey almost any command. But when he's not, forget it.

I'm not sure I want to go with an e-collar, since our intention is not to hunt with him ... I'm more concerned about when his leash slips off or when he's playing with another dog and I want him back NOW! We will work on the drills suggested, and if all else fails, we will go this route.

Joce and Rich
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11/22/2007 6:37 AM  
Joce,

If you don't have a reliable recall on a check cord with no distractions, you'll have a real tough time, loose with distractions. Do you do obedience classes with Bo? If it comes to an issue of his personal safety, I'd consider an e collar. I have friends that don't hunt that use them so they know their dogs will come when they call, no matter what else is going on around them. It can be peace of mind....

Gail

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11/22/2007 8:43 AM  
We did puppy k with Bo, but we hadn't planned on any more obedience classes at this point. It may be worth reconsidering ... Thanks again for the advice. (We will have him on a short leash on Sunday :)

Joce and Rich
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11/22/2007 9:20 AM  
Bring the check cord too! It'll be a great opportunity to practice with distractions!

Gail, Moka, Avery, Terra & Rayne
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