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dieterthegspUser is Offline
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09/22/2009 8:45 AM  

Just seen this in another thread and thought i would creat a new one instead of hijacking that one. Dieter can just reach the top of the counter now..and he loves jumping up and licking anything he can. I just tell him "down". If he does i praise him with words and actions. (i dont really want to give him a treat for gettin down from the counter). If he doesnt listen i just calmly put him down. Repeat! haha. I was wondering if anyone had any good tips for this...I would like to correct this now before he gets any bigger.


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09/22/2009 9:08 AM  
Luckily, Osiris is really really good about not doing this. But then, he has never been a food snatcher.

Once when we first got him, I was making a sandwich and turned my back long enough for the pup to grab the bread. I caught him walking away and told him to hold it right there. He turned around with the sandwich in his mouth and let me take it away from him. (It was kinda cute...)

And that was the last time he has done that....

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09/22/2009 9:08 AM  
if you can catch him, you can use the old spray bottle with water (put it on the stream, not the spray)...the shock value along with a strong "NO!" or "OFF !", gets the message across.

Do not give him a treat for correcting bad behavior, you are right about that...:) You can also put pan lids on the counters to discourage counter surfing, but it takes up an awful lot of room...not to mention inconvenient.

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09/22/2009 9:23 AM  
I'm going to disagree with praising after being naughty. I would agree Phyllis's suggestions.

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09/22/2009 9:28 AM  
so dont praise at all? Not even a "good boy" for getting down when i tell him?

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09/22/2009 10:22 AM  
Maybe others can weigh in, but he's not really being good by getting down, because he shouldn't have been up in the first place!

I generally do not praise when they stop being bad in these situations, but I'd be curious to hear what others have to say on this point.
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09/22/2009 10:24 AM  

makes sense...that pretty much the same reason i didnt want to give him a treat (his treats are his kibble..hes very food motivated)



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09/22/2009 10:28 AM  
We have a champion counter surfer ... he can easily reach the back of the kitchen sink while standing on the floor.

A water pistol and patience are our best friends. He knows he shouldn't be up there and always responds quickly to ''off'' but that doesn't stop him from trying ... I think he just can't resist the smells sometimes.

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09/22/2009 10:33 AM  

My pup isn't much of a counter-surfer for food.  She just likes to see what's going on "up there" when we are making dinner, etc.

Here's what I did:

1) I use "OFF" for things like counter surfing, and when she's on furniture she shouldn't be on.  "Down" is our command for lay down.  I try not to confuse the two.  Not sure if you use the same commands but many people I know use them interchangeably, which can be a mistake.

2) I would do something completely different when she's counter surfing to reinforce the other behavior (not counter surfing).  For example, I tell her OFF.  When she complies, I lead her to another area and "Down, Stay".  I only treat her when she complies with the "down, stay" commands.  This way I am reinforcing a behavior I want when she's in the kitchen...a down-stay.  We are now to the point that she will just lay down in the kitchen or won't go near the counters at all.

I think GSPs are counter-surfers by nature because of their curiousity, intelligence, and sense of smell.  Lets be honest, there are a lot of good things that are kept "up and away" from them.  The challenge is to give them something BETTER when they stay OFF of counters, etc.

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09/22/2009 10:37 AM  
I would not praise him for getting down at all. If he is not a real little pup I would use some very stern words and scare the bejesus out of him if you catch him in the act. Counter surfing is a serious no no in our house. If I catch one, which hasn't happened for a long time I would yell "bad" and grab the dog and pin it to the floor on its side and take a very dominant position. Cathing in the act is key and I even would set things like hot dogs on the edge of the counters and hide and wait to catch them in the act. The older one was a little slower to learn, the pup was counter broken by 6 months old.

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09/22/2009 10:44 AM  
thanks guys. I will start using the word "off" or "bad". I have alot of "bad" socks already so that might be the word to continue using. "Down" is to similar to "lay down" which he is really good at and usually get rewarded. thanks again

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09/22/2009 10:49 AM  
Xara too is already exhibiting her counter surfing skills. I do what you do, I tell her OFF and when her feet hit the floor I do say "good", perhaps I'll stop doing that.
Luckily her nose isn't quite tall enough yet to actually reach the counter, but I want her to understand that when she's in the kitchen all 4 must stay on the floor.
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09/22/2009 12:24 PM  

Tessa is very bad with this. Part of ouor problem is the layout of my place, semi-open kitchen, no doors, but the counters are out of my sight; so I can't keep her out (unless I babygate everything) and I can't see her from the living room. That meant a lot of getting up or making sure she stays in the living room. I also don't like the concept of the spray bottle because you will need to be there to apply it, and believe me, the dog will figure that out in two seconds.

Here are my suggestions:

1. Keep everything up, away and out of reach and keep the counters clean. Any crumb the dog finds is a reward and will encourage him/her to keep surfing. Very challenging, but I actually got used to it.

2. Correct the dog when you catch it (we use "off") and shove him/her off the counter. Sometimes I just shove. It gets old but it will get old for the dog, too.

3. When you are in the kitchen with the dog, keep a close eye on the dog and learn to anticipate a jump for the counter. Put the dog in a sit-stay BEFORE he/she jumps to surf. After a while (longer as the dog matures, remember, puppies have short attention spans), release the dog from the sit-stay, and reward as you release the dog. Keep watching him/her. Repeat as necessary.

4. Keep a drag leash on the dog. (A drag leash is a very light leash without a handle). All my puppies "wear" one in the house. When the pup tries to jump, step on the leash so it is immediately anchored back on the ground.

There is a thread somewhere here that I started when I was close to despair. Tessa is now 14 months old and has gotten much better; although she still surfs, she is much more responsive to my commands. If I am watching TV and I feel she is going in the kitchen to surf, I call her back to me - good practice for the in-house recall - it tends to automatically redirect her to a toy or chew bone.

Taking a photo of the bad deed is NOT a correction and should be avoided LOL. Note the distance of her food bowl - not far enough back! She was 4 months old.


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09/22/2009 1:23 PM  
I agree with TessaGA. We try to keep things far enough back when we're not in the room. You learn not to leave yummy stuff within reach and it eventually just becomes your routine. My oldest GSP is 11 years and I still on occasion catch her up checking things out. If i walk in the kitchen and catch them, I usually do the sharp intake of breath and say sternly "What are you doing?" They know it's wrong to be up there and jump off immediately.

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09/22/2009 2:25 PM  
I still have this issue with almost 2 y/o Wachter.. I even keep my counters clean and things off and he STILL has to run in the kitchen and jump up to see if there is anything new left behind for him :S I am looking for a repellent for when I am not there

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09/22/2009 2:29 PM  
Another thing...any training should end on a positive note and with praise. So, the idea of telling them "off", and redirecting the dog to something else they can do well...a sit, a down/stay is always a positive. Sometimes after training really hard, when the dog is tired as well as you, it is hard to find anything they can do correctly...(obviously that is not something you are going to do with the counter surfing thing)....and if it is just "Hailey, breathe! Good dog", then that's what it is.

Just cut out the treats for getting down. As JCK said, why reward him for something he shouldn't have been doing to begin with, and I think you'll be fine.

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09/22/2009 2:32 PM  

This when , "the leave it " command comes in handy!! No Rocky didnot get a cookie cut out!


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09/22/2009 2:58 PM  
But he was soooo hopeful...!! LOL

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09/22/2009 2:58 PM  

Taken a few years ago at Perfect Table height!! Down side of having a tall GSP


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09/22/2009 3:05 PM  
OMG Marie a counter like that so won't happen in my place! There would not be one cookie left, unless of course I was there to intervene. Good thing I don't bake, or cook for that matter! I am very good at hiding things though...

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