DesertRoseKennel
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| 09/03/2009 7:29 PM |
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Hi guys - it makes me very sad to say that our foundation female, grandma Rosie, has been diagnosed with metastatic breast cancer. Metastatic in that it has invaded the lymph nodes, although her lungs so far look clear on x-ray. We knew this would probably happen after she had a life threatening case of mastitis after her last litter four years ago. But still it's hard to actually hear it.
We removed as much as he could access to make her comfortable, but now we plan only to keep her comfortable, no more surgeries. The vet recommended against chemo because he says it is rarely successful even in young dogs. The prognosis is very poor. He expects it to metastasize quickly and was talking in terms of weeks, not months. We all know GSPs are tough as nails though, so who knows. He expects it to move into the lungs, so we're supposed to watch for respiratory symptoms. I am at peace with not putting her through hard treatment. She's 11 and all we would accomplish is making her last days miserable.
So, if any of you have experience with this, it would help to hear it - how the disease progressed and how fast.
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"Our dogs are bred to be champion hunters who sleep on the bed" www.desertrosekennel.com |
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Ken Lynch Hudson Valley in NY
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| 09/03/2009 7:58 PM |
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| This is not a fair question but… Will your Vet come to your house to put the dog down? Least stressful thing for both the dog and you. If you are at peace with letting her go then nothing is gained by keeping the dog alive waiting for her to deteriorate to the point where you cannot stand it any more. If you are not at peace with letting her go then I question for whose benefit is it that she should continue going down hill? I am into this quality of life issue because of my mother who is 96 in a nursing home with dementia (Alzheimer’s? – only confirmed by brain dissection). We have the opportunity to do the right thing with our pets but not humans. Sorry for the dark response. |
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Splat Illinois (Northern)
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| 09/03/2009 8:25 PM |
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I have not had experience with that kind of cancer. My boxer had tumors (which is not uncommon for boxers), she also had a heart problem so they could not do any surgeries to remove or test to see what kind of cancer was in the tumors. She lived a long time with them and they didn't grow fast. She also had an incontinence problem and ended up spending her last year or two only allowed in the kitchen on the tile floor, which wasn't good for her hips. We ended up putting her down in October cuz things weren't looking good for her and I felt the winter would just be too hard on her. I hope what ever happens things go peacefully. |
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Pointer Fan Westminster, Colorado
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| 09/03/2009 8:27 PM |
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| Sorry to hear about Rosie. My 13 year old GSP was diagnosed with cancer (Not breast) at the same time that I was finishing up chemo and radiation for breast cancer. I chose to spare her the chemo. People can understand what they are fighting for. Dogs just understand that life is not good. I think you have made a brave decision. I hope that you have months yet to love her. |
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Pointer Fan Westminster, Colorado
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| 09/03/2009 8:29 PM |
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| Is it possible to do hormone treatments to slow the disease? |
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DesertRoseKennel
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| 09/03/2009 9:00 PM |
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Hormone treatments won't help at this point.
As for right now, she is the same active, crazy GSP she's always been. You would have no idea she's sick. We will make the hard choice as soon as we can see she is in any discomfort. For now, she has no symptoms and no discomfort. |
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"Our dogs are bred to be champion hunters who sleep on the bed" www.desertrosekennel.com |
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snips n.ga.
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| 09/03/2009 10:05 PM |
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Hopefully they got it all. You will know when it is time. My Springer had it resurface a month after removing a Kidney. I noticed his breathing labored and I had him put down a week later. It was all over in his lungs. I am a believer in they will tell you when it is time. It is never easy. |
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dnauer Colorado Springs, CO
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| 09/03/2009 10:54 PM |
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This is hard to write. This was a very hard way to lose a dog, but we did. We caught the tumor early and had surgery that appeared successful. This was in the Lat Fall / Early Winter. After clearing her as healthy I started running her again in Agility in Jan, but a month later (Feb) noted she seemed slow and tired and to my suprise stopped and coughed as if she had kennel cough -- but somehow different -- while on course -- but that day she finihsed her Open JWW Preferred title - it was the last time she ran in competition. I had moved her down to Preferred (lower jump heights) to get her back in competition, but had a sick feeling in my stomach that day after that incident on the course. We had her x-rayed the next day (I pulled her from the trial and called in a favor from our vet). Sadly her cancer had returned and fully mestastized in her lungs.
We had to put her down in late April, one day before her 8th birthday. Other than her tired eyes and increasing labored breathing (by that time), on the outside she appeared healthy and it was the hardest thing I've ever done --
I almost gave up on dogs, even though we went shortly after that to the Phoenix GSPCA NSS with our new "wind litter" puppies -- Magic was a great aunt and was wonderful with the two we kept -- I think those puppies gave her some energy to keep her alive a little longer. I forgot to pull her entry from Veterans Sweeps at that NSS and many friends from around the country that I knew came up and said "Dave, you've got to get Magic in the ring -- it is time for Veteran bitches -- wheres Magic?" -- it was a hard national.
I took some time off from work here and there while Magic was still healthy and did walks, had fun on the agility equipment, even put a few birds out for her. It was time well spent and brings back great memories. My picture on facebook was taken with Magic during that time.
Magic was my heart dog and gave me many gifts including the title set that qualified me to become an AKC agility judge, but most importantly was the dog that looked for me and found me each day, laying by my side while the rest of the pack did their thing. It has been several years and I still miss her terribly.
My advice is to enjoy the time you have -- you may have more -- and to have the strength to do the right thing when the time comes (as I'm sure you will). There is still a chance of remission (I know, not likely, but . . .). I had put down many of our dogs over the years, but this remains the one that I've never gotten over.
In memory of my Magic who left me great memories but left too early -- I hope you can enjoy your dog's company in a similar way in the time left. I hope this helps and doesn't depress you too much -- my apologies if it did.
David Nauer -- Colorado Springs and "Magic"
U-AGII CH Homesteader's Dare to Dream RN JH AX NAP AXJ OJP CGC NAC NGC NJC RS-N GS-N GSPCA-VCA (Owner Handled Multi-Group Placing) |
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Dave in Colorado Voyager GSPs "If there are no dogs in heaven, when I die, I want to go where they went" -- Will Rogers |
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unowhoandwhy Middleofnowhere, NH
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| 09/04/2009 7:02 AM |
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I don't have any experience with this, just wanted to let you know how sorry I am to hear it.  |
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Daniel Yankee Flyer - 8/2002 Lady Layla - 1/2006 |
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pixie bee
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| 09/04/2009 7:06 AM |
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So sorry to hear the news. It is never easy. We have had many leave us over the years and as a child growing up with animals. While you begin to rationalize it better as an adult it is still one of the toughest experiences in life. Wishing you and Rosie strength and much love. Francine |
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"Time with my dogs clears my mind, renews my faith, and lets me see the world as it is. My only regret loving dogs as I do, is the misery of their early departure." Robert G. Wehle
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DesertRoseKennel
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| 09/04/2009 8:04 AM |
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Thanks to all of you for your support, and especially to Dave for sharing the story about your girl. At this point, I'd be happy if Rosie had four more good months, the vet didn't give me any hope it would be that long, so it's actually a good thing to hear. As soon as her stitches are out, she'll go with us training and get to have some birds shot for her to retrieve. If she's still with us in October, she can go on a long car ride, which she loves, to the National Amateur Championship in Eureka. I'm also sure she's going to get very fat in her remaining time as we're letting her have all the food and treats she loves.
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"Our dogs are bred to be champion hunters who sleep on the bed" www.desertrosekennel.com |
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everbell Kanata, ON
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| 09/04/2009 8:09 AM |
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| Jean, so sorry to hear about Rosie's diagnosis. I'm currently facing a similar situation with my 14 year old cat. (We got her 1 month after we were married, so she has been a family member as long as we have been a family.) She has a huge tumour in her belly, that both the vet and I have decided not to remove. I'm certain she has a few years left in her, but I dread the time when making the final decision comes. I guess this is another example of loving them as much as you can while you have them. Good luck to both of you. |
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TessaGA Georgia
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| 09/04/2009 8:30 AM |
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Jean, I am very sorry to hear this. I hope Rosie has some good time left, and I wish you all the strength you need to release her when the day comes - losing a dog at any age is a terrible thing.
The vet's prognosis, like a human oncologist's prognosis, is just based on statistics. Rosie could pass surprisingly fast, or she could outlive the time frame they gave you. I have seen both ends of the spectrum.
My American Bulldog Yogi was 4 years old when a mast cell tumor was removed from her leg. They cut out a lot of surrounding tissue but the lab confirmed that they did NOT get a clean cut, meaning cancer cells were left in the leg. Next step would have been amputation at the hip and chemo, with a less than 50% chance of survival. I opted against further treatment and prepared for the worst, she was given 6 months to live. To this day my vet is perplexed by the fact that she went into complete remission, and died cancer-free (confirmed by necropsy) at the age of 14.
Little miracles, defying all we think we know about a disease, do happen sometimes. I will keep you and Rosie in my thoughts. |
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bruns333 Central Ohio
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| 09/04/2009 8:39 AM |
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| Jean i am sorry to hear about your Rosie. Enjoy your remaining time together and reflect on the good life you have helped her have. |
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MegC Ellensburg, WA
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| 09/04/2009 9:09 AM |
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| Jean, I'm so sorry. I have no advice- just sympathy. |
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Megan + Dulcie (Lehmschlog's The Right Spot) + Rogan (Lehmschlog's BR Rogan) + Anya (Lehmschlog's Anya O Conchobar) Intro to harness sport/mushing- start here! |
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flygirl Muncy, PA
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| 09/04/2009 12:26 PM |
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| Jean my thoughts and prayers are with you and Rosie. My Dakota, a black lab, had to be put down at 8 years of age because of a spinal tumor that left him without control of bowel and bladder and had metastisized throughout. It is never easy but I think Dave has said it best. Spend time with them and enjoy them in the time that you have. We will be thinking of you. |
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MelB
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| 09/04/2009 1:29 PM |
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Jean, I've had a hard time reading, and responding to this post. It's so very hard to learn that while we know they won't be with us forever, our time has been shortened even more. I'm with you, give her everything she wants and shower her with love, it's not going to matter if she gains some weight, she'll be happy to have all the extras. A woman who comes into the bank I work at just had to put her GSP down for breast cancer. She had surgery done, but it was too far advanced to do any good for the dog. She said she waited until the dog refused food, and seemed antsy,,,,,then she knew it was time before the dog was in too much pain. I believe the dog was 9 yrs old, a female. I know what it is to lose them. Like Dave, I have put a few down, but none have left the heartache behind that my male springer Dundee left. It hurts to have to make the decision, regardless of their health, they are our friend, our companion, and for some, our soul dog. My thoughts and prayers are with you through this, and after. |
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Texas Belle Austin, TX
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| 09/04/2009 2:25 PM |
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| I am so very sorry to hear about Rosie. There is nothing anyone can say to make it any easier. You and Rosie and your family will be in my prayers. I know you will make every moment you have left with her count. You will know when the time has come. Shed your tears, but most importantly remember all the good times you have had together. What a small price we pay for the years of unconditional love we get from our furry babies. |
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Bev Quarles, the Pointer Sisters (Belle and Halo), the Outlaw GSP (Johnny Ringo) and the little Princess (Fauna)
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DesertRoseKennel
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| 09/04/2009 3:25 PM |
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All this helps, and so does knowing that she made 33 beautiful babies and many grandbabies. We have three of her babies and 4 grandbabies of hers here with us. She was "just" our gundog, but has produced offspring that are extremely talented. Every time they bring home a ribbon or trophy, I'll think of her even after she's gone.
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"Our dogs are bred to be champion hunters who sleep on the bed" www.desertrosekennel.com |
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zodiakgsps NW PA
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| 09/05/2009 5:01 AM |
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Jean, so sorry to hear this about your Rosie, I believe Bev said it well Shed your tears, but most importantly remember all the good times you have had together. What a small price we pay for the years of unconditional love we get from our furry babies. |
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